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Mr. Casey. That is true if it is something that comes from the floor 

 of the ocean? 



Mr. Clark. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Casey. But we have no agreement with reference to extraction 

 of minerals from sea water or from anything above that ocean floor. 



Mr. Clark. In that aspect, sir, there would be merit in this, but I 

 hope you realize that my interest here is parochial to the extent of the 

 industry that I am representing, and when we look at the entire prob- 

 lem, of course, this becomes very clear. 



]\Ir. Casey. You have some members of the American Petroleum 

 Institute that are doing more than just drilling for oil, as you well 

 know. 



Mr. Clark. That is correct, sir. 



Mr. Casey. And they are interested — some of them, you know — 

 they are interested in all forms of energy. When you start talking 

 about energy, you get a lot of energy out of ocean waves as far as 

 that is concerned. 



Mr. Clark. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Casey. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Lennon". Before we proceed any further, I want the record to 

 show that we again today have the pleasure of having with us — and I 

 think we have at all of our hearings — Mr. Dan Markel, the technical 

 consultant to the Senate Committee on Commerce, who is interested 

 in this whole subject. We appreciate very much, Mr. Markel, your 

 being here. 



Mr. Downing? 



Mr. Downing. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Clark, as I gather, you would like for the petroleum aspects of 

 oceanography to be excluded from this legislation? 



Mr. Clark. Yes, sir; some aspects of it. That is correct. 



Mr. Downing. And it is your fear and that of your industry that 

 the Federal Government would possibly become a competitor of pri- 

 vate industry in this field? 



Mr. Clark. That is correct. 



Mr. Downing. Thank you very much, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Clark, did I understand you to say while you 

 were representing the API — the American Petroleum Institute — as 

 well as the Western Oil & Gas, that the total industry has not de- 

 veloped a position on this? 



Mr. Clark. That is correct, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. How long would it take to develop one for the total 

 industry ? 



Mr. Clark. Well, sir, if I could give — if you will forgive an ob- 

 servation, they say a camel was a horse designed by a committee. I 

 think it might take a little time. If it is something you desire, we 

 could certainly tackle it. 



Mr. Lennon. It has been suggested to me by counsel it would be 

 weU if the record reflected the total interest, if we could on this mat- 

 ter — if such can be obtained. Give me some projected time, months, 

 weeks, or what. 



Mr. Clark. Sir, I think within 30 days we could do this. 



Mr. Lennon. If we have not reported this legislation by that time, 

 it would be well for this committee to have that information. 



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