384 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



Mr. Downing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I go along with the 

 chairman on this interesting approach to a very challenging subject. 



I also would like to say that this is a novel presentation. I was so 

 much impressed that I sent the entire package down to my own cham- 

 ber of commerce with the suggestion we get into this field, too. 



Mr. GiLLEAN. Thank you. 



Mr. Downing. I want to commend you and your chamber for this 

 contribution to this subject. 



Mr. GiLLEAN. Thank you, Mr. Downing. 



Mr. Downing. In your statement, Mr. Claudi-Magnussen, in para- 

 graph 4, you say : 



An appropriate organization should be established within the executive branch 

 of the Federal Government. 



Are you familiar with the various bills which are pending before 

 the committee at the present time ? 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen. I have reviewed several of the House bills; 

 yes, sir. 



Mr. Downing. Which of those bills, if any, most nearly meet these 

 objectives? 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen. Mr. Gillean has pouited out we are not 

 here to support or to be opponents of any one bill. 



The type of organization which is in recommendation No. 4 which 

 best reflects the consensus of the oceanographic community in San 

 Diego would be one which is located within the area pointed out with 

 a direct line of communication with the Chief Executive, at least as 

 close as possible, with both advisory capacity and the ability to provide 

 certain funds as required. 



Perhaps on the second point we can clarify what we have in mind. 

 We are concerned about some of the situations which we have run into 

 described in paragraph 3 where a worthwhile project may be right- 

 fully and logically assigned to a bureau or to an agency but it is of 

 such magnitude that it presents difficulties in undertaking. 



At that point we would feel something the equivalent of the Defense 

 Department can direct funds to get the project moving. This is along 

 the lines of coordination. We feel a little money speaks quite loudly 

 in bringing about coordination between the several agencies and groups 

 which have to work together on these various projects. 



Mr. Downing. Thank you very much. 



Mr. Casey. Mr. Mosher? 



Mr. Mosher. Mr. Claudi-Magnussen, in your first paragraph do I 

 read in there correctly an implication that oceanography perhaps is a 

 term that is too limited, that you are suggesting we begin to use some 

 broader terminology perhaps even in our legislation ? 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen. I notice several of the bills before you use 

 the expression "oceanography and related items." Frankly our activi- 

 ties in the chamber of commerce in San Diego has had problems in 

 what to call ourselves. The term "oceanography" is the scientific ac- 

 tivity of learning about the ocean. "Ocean engineering" is used quite 

 commonly today and it means generally the ability to implement this 

 knowledge in doing useful work in the ocean. That is a distinction. 



Yes, we are pointing out in paragraph 1 that this is a very impor- 

 tant aspect of the overall ocean activities^ this ocean engineering, this 

 ability to operate in the ocean and harvest its resources. 



