NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 385 



Mr. MosHER. Are you suggesting that "ocean engineering" would be 

 a better overall term and it would include oceanography ? 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen. No, I am afraid that would not be right 

 because that also delineates a certain segment of the spectrum of ocean 

 activities. It would, strictl}^ speaking, not include the scientific ocean 

 engineering. 



Frankly, I am at a loss in that regard. We have had discussions 

 among the experts and they speak of oceanic activities. 



Mr. MosHER. This committee, in writing legislation, might invent a 

 phrase. 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen. It would be well. If there is a term which 

 Avould describe the broader aspects this is what we are pointing out, 

 that this legislation should take care of what is a growing activity in 

 the overall field of oceanics. 



Mr. Mosher. Oceanography itself is an inadequate term ? 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen". For lack of a better term we are using that 

 in its broader encompassing meaning than the strictly scientific mean- 

 ing. 



Mr. MosHER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Reinecke I am happy to welcome these two Calif omians to the 

 committee and compliment you on your fine presentation. I am happy 

 to see the West showing some life in this because I think w^e are being 

 scooped by the east coast and if we are not careful we will lose some 

 interesting industrial activity. 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen, you mention in your third paragraph that 

 you feel there needs to be a coordination of these various activities. 

 We recognize this and we are looking for suggestions. Do you have 

 any such suggestions ? 



Mr. Claudi-Magntjssen. I would like to refer back to comments I 

 made a moment ago. We do feel that if the organization we advocate 

 in the executive branch has some ability to provide funds as required 

 to get programs moving that this would provide the catalyst, the 

 impetus to get a project going. 



In this connection we know from large private industrial companies 

 that it is much easier to achieve coordination, a meeting of the minds, 

 and assignments of responsibilities among different segments if there 

 is the ability to say "Now we want you to work together, we have some 

 money to assist you in getting this program going." We feel some 

 funds would be quite effective. 



Mr. Reinecke. Are you familiar with the structure of the ICO at 

 the present time ? 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen. Not in detail, but generally. 



Mr. Rehstecke. Do you feel this is the type of coordinating agency 

 which should be put together ? 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen. The ICO is doing a very outstanding job. 

 I would reflect the opinions of the large segment of the oceanographic 

 commmiity in San Diego if I were to say that the more direct line of 

 communication with the Chief Executive than such a group has the 

 more it would please the oceanographic community. In other words, 

 we want as high an authority as possible. 



Mr. Reinecke. Do you feel at the present time that the ocean engi- 

 neering aspect has been played down and put into a secondary position ? 



