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The limitation was that the Bureau of the Budget had to approve these 

 project's. Of course, there is no line item in their appropriation for 

 Mohole. 



Is that correct, Counsel ? 



Mr. Drewry. Frankly, I do not know, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Casey. My recollection is that their appropriation is for a 

 lump sum for all of their functions, Mohole being one specific project. 



Of course, they have various grants which are made and other 

 studies they undertake. 



Gentlemen, I again want to compliment you on your presentation. 

 I think you have certainly reflected a great credit on San Diego and 

 San Diego should be very proud of its chamber of conmierce and the 

 knowledgeable men they have interested in this particular subject. 



Mr. GiLLEAN. Thank you very much again for your time, gentlemen. 



Mr. Claudi-Magnussen. Thank you. 



Mr. Casey. We will next hear from Dr. W. M. Chapman, director, 

 Division of Resources, Van Camp Sea Food Co. 



Doctor, it is a pleasure to have you again. 



I understand you are not going to endeavor to read all of this state- 

 ment this morning, but that you will give us the benefit of a summary 

 of your stajtement and the benefit of your wealthy knowledge in this 

 field. 



STATEMENT OF DR. W. M. CHAPMAN, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF 

 RESOURCES, VAN CAMP SEA FOOD CO. 



Dr. Chapman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



If I may be permitted to do so, I have two statements, one in respect 

 to H.R. 5175, the law of the sea matter, a bill which I favor, and one 

 more generally on the general ocean policy. 



I would like to file those for the record and speak extemporaneously 

 and submit to questioning. 



Mr. Casey. Without objection that will be done. 



(The statements referred to follow :) 



Statement of W. M. Chapman Respecting H.R. 5175, the Law of the Sea and 



Public Policy 



My name is Wilbert McLeod Chapman. I am director, Division of Resources, 

 Van Camp Sea Food Co. In appearing before you this morning, however, I am 

 testifying in my personal capacity. I have been asked to speak as an expert on 

 the subjects of the law of the sea and public policy related thereto. Such ex- 

 pertise as I have on the subject arises from having been special assistant to the 

 Under Secretary of State for Fisheries and Wildlife for 3 years beginning in mid- 

 1948, and from that time until the conclusion of the second United Nations 

 Geneva Conference on the Law of the Sea in the spring of 1960 having partici- 

 pated in most of the fishery negotiations in which the United States engaged 

 with various nations, international conferences called on this subject under the 

 aegis of the Organization of American States and the United Nations, and 

 sessions of the International Law Commission and the General Assembly of the 

 United Nations devoted to this subject. 



LAW OF THE SEA 



The law governing activities upon the ocean is quite different than the law 

 governing activities on the land both in basis and in substance. The essential 

 difference stems from the type of ownership. 



Substantially all of the dry land in the world (comprising about 29 percent 

 of the earth's surface) is the property of some group of people organized into a 



