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of where we are; but I think as a practical matter we are able in this 

 session to go somewhat further than that. 



I believe that S. D44 as finally passed by the Senate is an improve- 

 ment on this. It is an escalation of the ideas, actually, that were 

 formerly ex])ressed by tlie House and Senate. 



With a Council, with a commission of temporary nature to aid it 

 with advice, I think this would be an excellent step forward and tliat 

 this would not be vetoed by the President. I think, in fact, you people 

 shook up Dr. Hornig* so badly the other day that a change in thinking 

 is going on in the executive department. I put that in parenthetically. 

 I think if that bill (S. 944) were passed, there would not be much diffi- 

 culty in getting it signed by the President. 



I think there are two improvements which could be made in that. 

 This encompasses really Mr. Rogers' bill, but I like one feature of Mr. 

 Rogers' bill much better than I do S. 944 in its present shape. I think 

 the appointment of the temporary commission should be obligatory 

 and not optional. That is one suggestion which I make for the com- 

 mittee to improve that legislation if it acts upon it. 



The second is that "ocean use" be substituted for "oceanography," at 

 least in most places in the bill. Let us get out of the narrow field of 

 strictly ocean science. 



I think, however, that we will require to go ahead in the next ses- 

 sion, or another session of the Congress, and discuss and consider much 

 wider legislation, and I think somewhat along the lines of the Muskie 

 bill, which would provide for a consolidation of ocean-oriented func- 

 tions in the Executive so that missions could be developed which would 

 justify the sort of budget items that are needed and, secondly, that 

 would provide also for a simplification of the congressional structure 

 for considering the sub j ect. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is all I have. 



Mr. Casey. Thank you very much. Doctor. 



Mr. Downing. 



Mr. Downing. Dr. Chapman, I have just finished a hurried reading 

 of your prepared testimony, and I cannot tell you how much it has im- 

 pressed me. It is a scholarly presentation. 



Dr. Chapman. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Downing. I think it should be the bible for eveiyone interested 

 in the subject. I hope all members of the subcommittee and the com- 

 mittee will read this presentation carefully. It is an excellent com- 

 pilation of oceanography and the problems which we shall have to 

 meet. I congratulate you on that. 



Dr. Chapman. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. DowiNG. I have no questions, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Casey. Mr. Reinecke. 



Mr. Reinecke. You have given us an excellent statement. Dr. Chap- 

 man. You seem to want to deemphasize the pure science aspects. Did 

 I interpret that correctly ? 



Dr. Chapman. No ; that is not correct. What I want to do is empha- 

 size both the discipline-oriented and mission- oriented science. Both 

 of those are needed in a very substantially enhanced nature. "Wliat 

 I say is that this has to be followed by an integration of, an ax3plica- 

 tion of, the results of this science to the use of the ocean. 



