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would not. This also has been copied into this bill, but if you now 

 apply this you would have these people under the Oceanoo;raphy 

 Council able to exchan2:e information with the Defense Department 

 but not with NASA. So that would have to be changed, too. 



I am saying I hope that you do not pass anything with this in it at 

 all but, if you do, would you please consider those matters. 



Mr. Casey. If we followed the wording you had originally in here, 

 would that take care of it ? 



Dr. Kavanagh. If you follow the suggestion I made originally, 

 these problems will not arise at all, that is right. 



Mr. Casey. Are there further questions ? 



Mr. Bauer. I have just one question, Doctor. Let us look at the 

 ocean environment. Your participation in the ocean environment is 

 planned with respect to your mission, is it not? 



Dr. Kavanagh. Yes. 



Mr. Batter. When you plan for exploring part of this environment, 

 how do you go about the planning? Do you have a central planning 

 group which says this problem should be attacked b}' the Atomic 

 Energy Commission ? 



Dr. Kavanagh. The Atomic Energy Commission has been more 

 or less a leader among agencies in attempts to plan our programs. 

 Maybe I am using those words advisedly. "We set up an Office of 

 Plans as early as, I believe, about 1958, and since that time we have 

 attempted to plan our entire atomic energy program in a unified way 

 for some years ahead, trying to do this continuously. This is done 

 for each division of the program, and it has worked down into each 

 segment of the work. 



So, for each of the separate sections I have talked about, people 

 have tried to plan what they would do over a period extending several 

 years ahead. We have been at it long enough so we know what hap- 

 pens to some of these plans when you run into budsretary considera- 

 tions year by year. It is a difficult process. We still think it worth 

 doing and still try to do it. 



Our plans on the environmental work, I could say, contemplate a 

 gradual increase. Our plans in the ocean engineering work are more 

 in a state of flux because we are now recognizing the increasing em- 

 phasis on this, and I think I could say that there is a probability 

 our work will increase substantially in that area in near future years. 



^ Mr. Bauer. Do you think the study of the ocean environment na- 

 tionally would benefit by some sort of planning group at the top 

 level of the executive department ? 



Dr. Kavanagh. Yes, I do, but I also know that the Office of Science 

 and Technology has made attempts to approach the problem of plan- 

 ning overall. It is a problem which is conceptually very difficult. 

 Mr. Bauer. But yours has worked ? 



Dr. Kavanagh. Ours has worked because we have a more unified 

 situation. It becomes more and more difficult as the variety of things 

 you try to compare with each other becomes greater and greater. 

 ]Mr. Bauer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Casey. Dr. Kavanagh, in one of your statements you say you 

 support the program of ocean biology to determine the effects on 

 marine life of radioactivity, and so forth. How is that supported? 

 Do you conduct studies in your agency ? 



