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Admiral Childress. We feel this would give executive direction to> 

 these good projects, such as the one you pointed out, and if approved 

 will go in with the President's budget. 



Mr. Casey. These bills have to pass both bodies of the Congress. 

 The Senate passed S. 944. That may be an indication to us that this 

 is it, or some version of it, or again you get nothing. 



Are you opposed to S. 944 ? 



Admiral Shields. We think 2218, the present bill before this com- 

 mittee, is better right now for the oceanographic program. It will not 

 solve all the problems but it gives us a start in that direction and gives 

 us a chance to study and see a little better in what direction we should 

 finally go. 



Mr. Casey. Right now you are not saying we should never have it ? 



Admiral Shields. No, sir. 



Mr. Casey. Thank you. Admiral. 



Does counsel have questions ? 



Mr. Drewry. On page 2 you refer to the series of studies conducted 

 in the northwest Atlantic, the time series studies. 



Would you enlarge on what you mean by the academic community ? 

 Does that mean you have civilian scientists on board in your ice patrol, 

 for instance, and is this available to civilian institutions? 



Admiral Shields. Perhaps Commander Delaney can give you more 

 details there. We refer primarily to the ocean station program and 

 we are training some of our own technicians, not scientists, to take 

 these readings on the ocean station vessels. 



We also have room and usually supply space on our icebreakers 

 whenever they take on an operation so that these people are carried in 

 those particular cases. 



All our construction and everything else is pointed to trying to 

 get more room on all our vessels of size which can accommodate 

 these people, give more room for scientific work and gathering of 

 data. ' 



Mr. Drewry. Do your new ships include space for laboratories and 

 technicians ? 



Admiral Shields. They do, yes, sir. The high-endurance cutters do. 



As you know, we are planning a feasibility study now on icebreak- 

 ers and later on we will ask for funds for design of icebreakers. 

 We certamly plan to have quite a bit more space for scientific work, 

 a laboratory, and data-gathering facilities on the new type of ice- 

 breaker we might design. We are looking in that direction. 



Mr. Drewry. In that connection you can perhaps dispense with 

 a good bit of the armament you have been carrying on the icebreakers 

 in the past. 



Admiral Shields. That is a concept we will certainly consider; 

 yes, sir. 



Mr. Drewry. That is all, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Casey. Mr. Bauer? 



Mr. Batjer. I would like to Just ask one or two questions of Ad- 

 miral Childress. 



Admiral, you stated that the ICO presented the annual programs 

 to the Federal Council. Is that correct ? 



Admiral Childress. Yes, sir. 



