468 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



industries, as well as our scientific minded city of Pittsburgh, part of 

 which I have the honor to represent are among those for whom the 

 ocean has a special significance. 



For these reasons — and many others — I feel that the bill introduced 

 by the gentleman from Florida, Mr. Fascell, and cosponsored by 

 others, including myself, will give a realistic approach and substantial 

 assistance to the national oceanographic program. 



Mr. Lennon. The subcommittee thanks you for an excellent state- 

 ment, Congressman. 



We are delighted and honored to have next this morning. Dr. Harold 

 Seidman, the Assistant Director for Management and Organization 

 of the Bureau of the Budget. 



After several false starts, Doctor, we finally have the honor of hav- 

 ing you here. 



Mr. Seidman. I am delighted to be here, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. If we may go off the record. 



(Discussion off the record.) 



Mr. Lennon. Back on the record. 



Now, Doctor, will you proceed, sir. 



STATEMENT OF DR. HAROLD SEIDMAN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR 

 MANAGEMENT AND ORGANIZATION, BUREATJ OF THE BUDGET; 

 ACCOMPANIED BY CLIFFORD L. BERG, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT 

 AND ORGANIZATION, BUREAU OF THE BUDGET 



Mr. Seidman. Mr. Chairman, before I proceed with my formal 

 statement, I thought it might be helpful to the committee to give some 

 technical clarifications relating to Dr. Hollomon's testimony with 

 respect to the reorganization plan. 



Mr. Lennon. Dr. Hollomon, of the Department of Commerce? 



Mr. Seidman. Yes, sir. 



You recall he talked about the role of the Environmental Science 

 Services Administration, and I wanted to point out that the Presi- 

 dent' message transmitting the Reorganization Plan No. 2, as in the 

 case of all messages transmitting reorganization plans, has somewhat 

 of a different legal status than the normal Presidential message. 



The plan and the message have to be looked at as a whole ; in fact, 

 the message is printed together with the plan in the United States 

 Code. 



As Dr. Hollomon pointed out, the President's message says that the 

 new Administration will provide a single national focus for our efforts 

 to describe, understand, and predict tlie state of the oceans, the state 

 of lower and upper atmosphere, and the size and shape of the earth. 



So, the approval of the reorganization plan also in effect is approval 

 of this particular provision of the message which states as one of the 

 roles of the Environmental Science Service Administration, to pro- 

 vide a single national focus for our efforts to describe, understand, and 

 predict the state of the oceans. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you. Doctor. You know you and I discussed 

 that the other day and I am very happy to have that explanation 

 included as part of the hearing record. 



Thank you, very much. 



