474 NATIONAL OCTANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



Mr. Seidman. No, I have not, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Let me commend for your earnest perusal and study an 

 article that appears beginning on page 8 and the authors are Deane 

 and David Heller, "The Extraordinary Powers of the Bureau of the 

 Budget." 



This is the caption of it, "How a Superbureau in Washington 

 Manipulates the Laws, Censors Witnesses Before Congress and Dic- 

 tates to Departments and Agencies by the Exercise of Powers Never 

 Set Forth in the American Constitution." 



They quote some very distinguished Americans now in high places, 

 one of them being a former distinguished Senator from the star State 

 of Texas in which he describes the Bureau of the Budget as a "czar," 

 that is the quote, and he goes on from there. 



He is just wanning up as he goes on. And he quotes a number 

 of other distinguished persons who are in Govermnent with respect to 

 how he then said that the Bureau of the Budget was able to determine 

 the will of the Congress without authority under the Constitution, and 

 I touched on it briefly a few minutes ago in what I said, but this article 

 is much more eloquent and factual, and I comemnd it to your reading 

 because it is being widely disseminated among the Member of Con- 

 gress and it is a little bit, well, frustrating, to read it and see the 

 quotes of some of the people who are now in high places who have 

 reversed their position like they have in so many instances in the last 

 few years on so many other things. 



Mr. Seidman. I would mention that our former distinguished Sen- 

 ator from the State of Texas, who is now the President, has made more 

 recent statements about the Bureau of the Budget. 



Mr. Lennon. He has made many statements, because I remember 

 many of his statement on important issues as both a Member of the 

 House and the Senate and as majority leader, but people do change. 



Mr. Seidman. I have not read the article and I am miable therefore 

 to rebut the specific criticisms. I think the chairman is aware, how- 

 ever, that no powers are vested in the Bureau of the Budget ; it serves 

 the President, and the actions that are taken are on behalf of the Presi- 

 dent, not the Bureau of the Budget. 



Mr. Lennon. I am not being critical. Doctor, I am just quoting 

 those in high places in Government who work with you. I am not 

 quoting myself, this is what President Johnson and some others in 

 Government have said about the Bureau of the Budget, and I do think 

 it is rather challenging, and they do document it, of course. 



Doctor, let us now, if we can, talk specifically about some of the bills 

 because we do need your counsel and advice. 



My recollection is that the Sente bill, 944, which passed the Senate on 

 August 5, 1 believe, and is now over here and has been referred to this 

 subcommittee witliin the last few days — it passed the Senate on Au- 

 gust 5— did you testifj^ before the Senate Commerce Committee during 

 the consideration by that committee of this bill ? 



Mr. Seidman. No, I did not, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. My recollection is that at the time of its introduction 

 it provided for a National Council, the Vice President, who should be 

 the Chairman, and then the various Secretaries of State, and, in fact, 

 all of those who hold Cabinet-level status. 



My information is that either in committee or on the floor it was 

 amended to provide for a commission of — my recollection — five repre- 



