NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 479 



4 which deals with the authorization to the President to establish a 

 Commission on Marine Science, Engineering, and Resources. 



Mr. LENNOisr. I would think, Doctor, that you probably have had a 

 chance to analyze S. 944 since its passage by the Senate. 



You say that a Commission on Marine Sciences, Engineers, Re- 

 sources, or section 4, in substance, would perhaps be a good substitute 

 for that part of 2218 which provides for the establishment by the 

 President of a Presidential Advisory Council. 



Mr. Seidman. That is correct. I think we might have some techni- 

 cal language to suggest in section 4. 



Mr. Lennon. Now, Dr. Morse in his testimony, I believe it was Dr. 

 Morse, of the Navy, suggested — he did not sugge^, he recommended 

 specifically that — I think it was he and Dr. Hollomon both, 2218 ought 

 to provide some annual authorization for funding the work of the 

 interagency committee on oceanography. They both, as I recall it, 

 made that recommendation, one or the other did certainly, stating that 

 the Interagency Committee on Oceanography was dependent upon 

 working, the individuals assigned to that intraagency committee by the 

 various departments and agencies and they had no staff, no central 

 staff at all — that it was on a part-time basis. I think they had one 

 man that gave most of his time to it, and he had no staff. 



What do you think about that. Doctor ? Some nominal sum on an 

 annual authorization basis. When I say "nominal" I would certainly 

 think of seeing a couple of hundred thousand dollars, or a quarter of 

 a million dollars at the very tops, myself ; I do not know what other 

 members of the committee might think. 



Mr. Seidman. The bill could provide authorization for administra- 

 tive expenses. 



Mr. Lennon. Within the Office of the Interagency Committee on 

 Oceanography ? 



Mr. Seidman. The Interagency Committee on Oceanography is a 

 subcommittee of the Federal Council on Science and Technology. 



Mr. Lennon. I realize that, but apparently what their complaint is, 

 is that it is not being funded so that they can have a staff, even a very 

 small staff, to kep the thing moving all the aime. 



Comment on that ; is that true or not, or are those gentlemen mis- 

 taken? They are on the ICO and I thought they ought to know. 



Mr. Seidman. They have five professionals on the staff of the ICO, 

 according to Mr. Berg of my staff, who is accompanying me. I think if 

 the need could be demonstrated and justified, more staff could be pro- 

 vided. I do not know what the specific difficulty is here. I think 

 Mr. Berg said most of this is funded by Navy today. 



As you know, under general law there is authority for the members 

 of interagency committees to contribute funds for the support of the 

 committee. 



Mr. Lennon. That was certainly my impression, Doctor, and that 

 is the reason I questioned these gentlemen rather closely when they 

 came up with this specific recommendation in their testimony that that 

 would be, in their judgment, they said, a very effective thing to do, and 

 it appeared to me that there must be some justification for it. I would 

 be glad to have your comments, sir. 



Mr. Seidman. With the chairman's permission what I would like 

 to do is specifically look into this matter and if I could send a letter to 



