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the committee I think it would be more helpful than giving my offhand 

 judgment; I have not specifically looked at it; I would like to find out 

 what the facts are, how many were proposed, how many were granted, 

 what the reasons were, and if the chairman would agree, I think this 

 would perhaps be the most helpful to you rather than giving an off- 

 hand comment. 



Mr. Lennon". I would like very much to have that at the earliest con- 

 venient date to you, sir, because we do want to reach some understand- 

 ing on this legislation very shortly after we complete the hearings. 



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Staffing of Interagency Committee on Oceanography 



The ICO staff is currently composed of five professionals and four clerical mem- 

 bers. The estimated total cost for staff activities during fiscal year 1966 is $119,- 

 925, of which the Navy will contribute $93,895, the Coast and Geodetic Survey 

 $17,030, and the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries $9,000. All personnel billets 

 are supplied by the Navy with the except of one from the Coast Guard. 



The central problem involved in providing for an expanded staff within Navy 

 resources is that of directing defense funds and personnel spaces from military to 

 nonmilitary purposes. If required to do so, Navy would support an increased staff 

 but would prefer that separate and additional resources be made available. To 

 date, no specific recommendations as to type and numbers of additional personnel 

 have been formally developed. 



Mr. Lenxon. Mr. Eogers, are you ready now ? 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Doctor, what does the Bureau of the Budget regard as the Presi- 

 dent's policy and instructions with regard to oceanography? 



Mr. Seidman. I think those are generally contained in his letter 

 transmitting the 1966 oceanographic program to the Congress, from 

 which I quoted in part. 



Mr. Eogers. This just says there, you see the oceans as links rather 

 than barriers, but I think surely there must be more of 



Mr. Seidman. The President said : 



We are looking foi'ward to a i)eriod when our investment in ocean research 

 may bear fruit in terms of faster and more comfortable transportation * * * 

 more accurate prediction of storms and tides that endanger life and property and 

 the strengthening of our national defense. 



The specifics are to be found in the President's budget recommenda- 

 tions. The budget recommended by the President, I tliink, is almost 

 identical with that recommended in the national oceanographic pro- 

 gram. 



Mr. Rogers. Do you see any problems with oceanography? Does 

 the Bureau of the Budget feel there are any problems concerning 

 oceanography, or are things going along pretty well ? 



Mr. SEroMAisr. From what I have been told, I think there has been 

 progress ; there are problems. It is a very difficult organizational area, 

 and I think it would not be correct to state that it is not. The new 

 science programs by their very nature necessarily cut across agency 

 lines and create some very difficult problems of organization and co- 

 ordination. I would not be frank before this committee if I said we 

 thought we had solved them all ; we have not. 



Mr. Rogers. Of course, there are problems, very difficult problems, 

 if we are going to have an active program of oceanography. Is the 

 Bureau of the Budget aware of what is being done in this field ? 



