486 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



Mr. Lennon. Do you happen to know, sir, how many meetings 

 ]ie has attended of the Interagency Committee on Oceanography in 

 the past 12 months ? 



Mr. Berg. No, sir; I do not know how many. We could get that 

 information for you, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. If you will furnish it for the record — his attendance 

 at the Interagency Committee on Oceanography and the panels of 

 that Interagency Committee on Oceanography. 



(The document follows:) 



Attendance at ICO Meetings 



From August 1, 1964, to August 1, 1965, the Interagency Committee on 

 Oceanography held nine meetings. Bureau of the Budget personnel were rep- 

 resented at seven of those meetings with Mr. Dillon in attendance at five of 

 the meetings. No records have been kept of attendance at meetings of the sub- 

 committee of ICO, but such attendance by Bureau staff has been infrequent. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Casey. 



Mr. Casey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Doctor, I have one question I want to explore. Since the Bureau 

 of the Budget is an arm of the President and also the Office of Science 

 and Technology is an arm of the President, I presume that in pre- 

 paring the budget for the President on the scientific end, why, the 

 Director of the Office of Science and Technology is very helpful to 

 you in this preparation ? 



Mr. Seidman. He has a very direct role in this, Mr. Casey. The 

 various components of the Executive Office of the President in recent 

 years pretty much work as a single organization. 



I personally happen to sit on the Directors' Review Committee on 

 the Budget, and when matters relating to science programs are before 

 us. Dr. Homig sits with the Directors' Review Committee and mem- 

 bers of his staff are present and participate in the discussions. There 

 is close day-to-day coordination between the staffs of the Bureau of 

 the Budget and staffs of the Office of Science and Technology. 



Mr. Casey. I am trying to get the idea of the mechanics of it. 

 Singling out oceanography specifically, do you inquire of Dr. Hornig 

 on, say, the Department of Navy's budget as to the soundness of their 

 requests for oceanography, or do you just rely on the Navy to con- 

 vince your particular department ? 



Mr. Seidman. In all of the programs, the science programs, the 

 Bureau relies very heavily on the Office of Science and Technology, 

 both for its evaluation of the scientific merit and soundness of the 

 program and also on priority. Very often in the budget process you 

 are faced with a choice among many worthy programs and it be- 

 comes a question then of making a choice among programs that are 

 fully justified. 



Mr. Casey. Now, Doctor, does the Bureau of the Budget take the 

 position that you prepare a budget within the estimated income of 

 the country and try to keep the deficit as low as possible, or do you 

 shoot for a figure, and if so, does it put your department in the posi- 

 tion of seeing what is the most expendable rather than in a position' 

 of saying whether something should have been added? 



Mr. Seidman. We have done both. There have been occasions 

 where the President, through the Budget Bureau, has recommended 



