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of their particular mission requirements. Something that may be 

 of priority importance for the Government as a whole or something- 

 that ties the various parts together may not receive adequate emphasis. 

 In such cases the Office of Science and Technology would make pro- 

 posals to the Bureau to assure that an appropriate program balance 

 is maintained. 



Mr. Casey. If they were not in accord as to who should do the par- 

 ticular project, would the Office of Science and Technology probably 

 be the deciding factor as to where would be the best place to put it? 



Mr. Seidman. This would be a matter of consultation between the 

 Office of Science and Technology and the Budget Bureau. It might 

 ultimately go to the President for decision. 



Mr. Casey. Thank you, Doctor. I appreciate you contribution 

 here. 



Mr. Lennon, Mr. Drewry, please. 



Mr. Dkewry. Dr. Seidman, for the past 6 years this committee has 

 been struggling with this problem and we have gotten down to cer- 

 tain essentials which are set forth in H.R. 2218, such as the insertion 

 of a general policy to support oceanography and strengthen the co- 

 'ordination between agencies, assign responsibility to someone by 

 statute who will be responsive to the President and to the Congress. 

 We favored but you did not, the provision of some form of permanent 

 staff that would be free of diversion to other assignments. We wanted 

 to have an aimual long-range program for submissions to Congress 

 and provision for a body representing diversity of interest in the 

 oceans, not limited to scientists and not limited to Government. 



Your endorsement of H.R. 2218 would be, I would say, substantial 

 endorsement of those particular objectives, with the exception, to some 

 extent, of the permanent staff. 



The booklet Congressman Casey mentioned gratifyingly is, even 

 though there is not yet legislation, substantially in line in its format 

 with where we have been seeking to go. Yet, throughout these hear- 

 ings for the past several weeks, the main burden of the testimony, at 

 least from non- Government sources, and to some important extent 

 from Government sources, has been that we are not doing enough and 

 the coordination is not working as well as it should. 



One man put it, "Industrial technology at the present time has de- 

 veloped faster than the Government programs and objectives have." 



The Bureau of the Budget seems to be very much in the middle of 

 these thmgs. I would like to ask you a few questions as to the details 

 of the Bureau of the Budget's participation. 



I understand you have a representative present at all Federal Coun- 

 cil meetings, or substantially all, and likewise at all ICO meetings, or 

 substantially all. 



Mr. Seidman. That is correct. 



Mr. Drewry. And I believe they have a proceeding starting off in 

 the spring ; there is an early preparation, and then a little later on they 

 get down a little more to brass tacks and finally the program is worked 

 into the budget request material for submission by the separate 

 agencies. 



What type of fiscal guidelines do you lay down as the program is 

 planned and developed ? 



