NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 499 



Mr. McKernan. Considerably more debate than has been possible 

 ■even in these rather extensive and, in my opinion, excellent liearinofs 

 that this conimittee has carried out, by the people in industry, people 

 in universities, and in government itself. 



Now, the modified S. 944, as was pointed out this morning, and 

 I have heard comments about it by the chairman in the course of these 

 hearings ; also the so-called Rogers bill, does 



Mr. Lennon. Right at that point, before I forget it, suppose you 

 submit to the counsel of this committee suggestions on the provision 

 of the legislation 944 if the committee, whether the committee did or 

 did not take overt action in that resi>ect. 



You made a suggestion that you said if we adopt the approach with 

 respect to a self-liquidating commission, either 944, 2218, or any other 

 Ibills, that you would like to offer suggestions as to the provisions of 

 this legislation. 



Whether the committee does or does not, I would like for you to 

 furnish to this committee, through its counsel, your views with respect 

 to that legislation. Will you do that ? 



Mr. McIvERisrAisr. Yes ; Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Thanlv you. 



(The information requested follows :) 



Department of the Interior, 



Office of the Secretary, 

 Washington D.C., August 26, 1965. 

 Hon. Herbert C. Bonner, 



Chairman, Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries, House of Representa- 

 tives, Washingto^i, D.C. 

 Dear Mr. Bonner : On August 17, 1965, during the course of the hearings on 

 the several oceanography bills by the Subcommittee on Oceanography, Mr. Don- 

 ald L. McKernan, testifying on behalf of this Department, was asked to furnish 

 our views with respect to legislative provisions for the creation of a self-liquidat- 

 ing commission such as that provided for in S. 944. 



We are adWsed that the Bureau of the Budget has now furnished to the com- 

 mittee suggested legislative language providing for such a commission which 

 represents the position of the administration on this subject. 

 Sincerely yours, 



Clarence F. Pautzke, 

 Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Interior. 



Mr. LENN-Qisr. Go ahead. 



Mr. McKernan. It seems to me that the ICO has provided quite 

 good coordination, although as I mentioned imperfect 



Mr. Lennon. You said that. Now, what legislativewise can we do 

 to help ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. I was just saying that we have accumulated a great 

 deal of oceanographic knowledge in just the past few years, but it 

 seems to me now that there is a lag in the continued accumulation of 

 this knowledge and perhaps even a greater lag in the application of it 

 toward using the resources of the ocean and applying this research in 

 a practical way and in a wa}^ which would benefit our Nation in many 

 ways, particularly the economic way. 



Mr. Lennon. Now let me interrupt you. I hate to do this but I 

 am afraid we are going to get a quorum. 



How much time does Bob Abel, Executive Secretarv of the ICO 

 give to ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. A hundred percent of his time. 



