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used were borrowed from other departments, subject to recall, and 

 subject to other activities. 



Now you say positively and unequivocably that you have a budget of 

 about $108,000 or $109,000, and that you have five full-time staff mem- 

 bers assisting the executive secretary, the full-time executive secretary 

 of ICO. 



Now, we just do not have all the facts. 



Mr. McKernan. Mr. Chairman, then I have caused this confusion, 

 and I want to correct it. 



These men, who are working full time for the ICO, are seconded 

 from various agencies. They can be pulled back to their agencies at 

 any time. But they are a full-time staff in a sense of putting 100 percent 

 of their time on ICO work. I am sorry for that misunderstanding. 



Mr. Lennon. That is all right. I appreciate that explanation, but 

 are they on salaries of the agencies they represent ? 



On the payrolls? 



Mr. McEjernan. Would you help me here because I am not exactly 

 certain about that ; I do not want to answer incorrectly. 



Dr. Lyman". It is fairly complicated, but several of them are Navy 

 Department employees and they are working in and for the Navy. 



Others are on billets from one agency, and the money that pays for 

 them is reimbursed from other agencies. For example, the $9,000 

 that Interior, the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, puts in, pays less 

 than the salary of one man, and he is on the personnel ceiling of 

 some other agency, perhaps the Coast Guard. 



But he is not subject to recall by the Coast Guard because his salary 

 is not being paid by the Coast Guard. 



Mr. Lennon". Those employees that are full time, but the agencies 

 they are requisitioned from and who pays the salaries — let us get the 

 whole story — excuse me, Mr. Casey. 



Mr. McivERNAN. We will try and prepare a detailed explanation of 

 this factor, Mr. Chairman. 



(The information requested follows :) 



1 Estimated figure for fiscal year 1965 is $95,000. 



2 $9,000 supplied by Bureau of Commercial Fisheries. 



