NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 507 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Oasey ? 



Mr. Casey. Does the ICO work up a budget, and then decide who 

 is going to pay what por'tion of it ? 



Mr. McKernan. You are talking with regard to the staff ? 



Mr. Casey. Do you have any other expenses besides staff ? 



Mr. McKernan. Travel expenses and sometimes exi)enses of the 

 subcommittees to visit certain places, certain laboratories, for example, 

 for review purposes, but the 



Mr. Casey. Is this s6t up in an ICO account with the various agen- 

 cies contributing to it ? Is that how it is done ? 



Mr. McKernan. This is set up in the Navy, I believe, is it not. Dr. 

 Lyman ? 



Mr. Casey. You set up the expenses on travel or any expenses ICO 

 has, and then the other agencies reimburse Navy ? 



Mr. MgKernan. Yes, essentially Navy handles the bookkeeping as- 

 pects of this, we turn the funds over to Navy and they do the disburs- 

 ing and paying the salaries and so forth. 



Mr. Casey. As I gather from your statement, the prime principal 

 gain that has been made by the inauguration of the ICO has been co- 

 ordination, which is a broad word, but I presume that means the keep- 

 ing of any duplication of effort and also a better assignment of respon- 

 sibilities. Is that it ? 



Mr. MoKernan. Yes, I think both of those descriptive phrases that 

 you have used are correct. 



Before, in the pre-ICO days, in our own small bureau, we had no 

 way of really knowing, very well anyway, until after the fact what the 

 ship schedules of the Coast and Geodetic Survey were, or those of some 

 of the other agencies. 



Mr. Casey. The way that would work, I presume, you, representing 

 the Bureau of Conmiercial Fisheries, when you attend your meeting 

 and you say you come there instructed by the head of your Bureau and 

 possibly the Secretary of the Interior, and you say, "This is what we 

 propose to do and propose in our next budget" ? 



Mr. McKJERNAisr. That is correct. 



Mr. Casey. And someone else says, "Well, we had that in mind but 

 you can do it better," or something, then as you say, you might report 

 back and say, so and so is going to take on something else and is going 

 to conflict with us a bit, I did not have the authority to say, you take 

 it, as you recited in here you have to go back sometimes to one or more 

 department heads ; is that correct ? 



Mr. McKernan". ThaJt is correct. 



Mr. Casey. To finally get an answer as to what the position of your 

 particular department is — ^now, after the ICO, as I see one of the 

 biggest weaknesses which counsel followed up a while ago, was that 

 a,fter you all make decisions and see that there is better coordination, 

 there is no unified effort of the ICO to help any of these agencies get 

 the appropriittion for the programs that you have endorsed, is that not 

 correct ? 



Mr. MoKernan. Not quite. What happens is that the ICO budget 

 goes from the ICO to the Federal Council, and it is reviewed by the 

 Federal Council. Quite often the Chairman and some of the senior 

 members of the ICO go before the Federal Council, which is composed, 

 of course, of policymaking members of various departments, and we 

 review, then, the budget and the program of the ICO. 



