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they want to start attacking something they are not liable to put up a 

 strong fight. 



Whereas if you had somebody like ICO to say, "We are here to 

 back up this program for the Navy," and point up how urgent and 

 how important it is — I thank you very much for your contribution. 



Mr. Lennon. It is interesting to observe in line with your question- 

 ing, Mr. Casey, that in tlie Department of Commerce as far as the 

 ESSA is concerned, there is no legislative committee of the Congress 

 that they can go to, they have to go directly to the Appropriations 

 Committee on the recommendation of the President, who submits 

 the so-called ICO budget for the Federal Council. 



You take your own Department of Interior, you get some of the 

 authorizations for your Depar'tment from this committee, but you 

 have to go to the Interior and Insular Affairs Committee for other 

 authorizations, but the Department of Commerce, so far as its spec- 

 trum in Congress, there is no such legislative committee. 



So when they go before the Appropriations Committee, based on 

 the recommendations of the ICO, the Federal Council, and then the 

 President, then there is no history or legislative history made of its 

 needs, and they have to start from scratch. 



If we can go off the record. 



(Discussion off the record.) 



Mr. Lennon. Back on the record. 



Thank you very much, sir, this will conclude the hearings of the 

 subcommittee this morning. 



Tomorrow we will reconvene at 10 o'clock and look forward to 

 having other distinguished witnesses. 



(Whereupon, at 12 :30 p.m., the hearing was recessed to reconvene 

 at 10 a.m., Wednesday, August 18, 1965.) 



