NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 533 



Mr. Haworth. This is a rather complex process. In the first place, 

 each agency becomes aware of the needs for vessels, not only those agen- 

 cies that have in-house operations such as the Navy, but also those 

 agencies that are supporting research and surveys and so on outside 

 the Government by grants and contracts; they become aware of the 

 needs for vessels of various laboratories, organizations of one sort 

 and another. 



In the case of the Foundation, for example, we get proposals from 

 Woods Hole or Scripps or wherever it might be, and those total needs 

 are discussed in ICO and there is n rather concerted look at the whole 

 thing; decisions are made about how many should be asked for. 



In the period beginning, I guess I would say — I am having to de- 

 pend on what I have been told in this connection — beginning about 

 1960 there was, of course, a very sharp increase in funding for this 

 sort of thing. 



The result was, in my opinion, that in terms of our total funds we 

 liaye a little bit overshot on this, and that as I believe Secretary Morse 

 pointed out to you, we had the embarrassment this past year of havmg 

 in a sense more vessels than we could use most effectively. So the need 

 •at the present time, as we increase funds, 4s in general, though not in 

 every instance, to fund more completely the use of the vessels we have 

 rather than to get more vessels. 



I do not mean this as absolute, but as relatively. So that that ques- 

 tion is for the moment sort of in abeyance. Incidentally the impact 

 is not only in that we have new vessels, but it is also that we have a 

 lot better vessels. 



The newer ones are far more effective than the older ones, so 

 that the increase in capability in terms of vessels and also shore facili- 

 ties is very great, indeed, and this is just coming into fruition m the 

 last year or so. 



Mr. Casey. Thank you. Doctor. 

 Mr. Rogers? 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Doctor, I am sorry I w^as somewhat late, but I have read your 

 statement quickly. 



Who actually has the responsibility in the National Science Founda- 

 tion for your activities on oceanography ? 



Mr. Haworth. Well, next to me, the responsibility for all our re- 

 search lies in Dr. Randal Robertson, who is the Associate Director 

 for Research. Reporting to him are various research divisions headed 

 by directors. Dr. Carlson, for example, is the Director of the Division 

 of Biology and Medicine. 



Our oceanographic activities are in two of those divisions, the Physi- 

 cal Sciences Division and the Biological and Medical Division, and 

 the organization for doing oceanography is different in the two 

 divisions. 



In the Physical Sciences Division there is an Earth Sciences Section, 

 headed by Dr. Benson, and within that is the Section on Oceanography, 

 headed by Dr. Bader. This is the group that does all aspects of what 

 I will call "physical oceanography." I am using the term a little 

 differently than Dr. Hollomon is — physical oceanography as distin- 

 guished from biological oceanography. In the biological field there 

 .are various ;aspects of interest of the biologists in the oceans. 



