NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 535 



but what that process is inside the Biology Division, T think Dr. Carl- 

 son could tell you better than I. 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you. 



Dr. Carlson. In the Biology Division, as the Director has stated, 

 we do not have a specific area that is designated as biological ocean- 

 ography, or marme biology. However, the primary source of sup- 

 port for this area of science is in the environmental sciences and in 

 systematic biology, with a smaller amount coming from regulatory 

 biology, and from metabolic biology, and then we also have our 

 facilities program separated rather than having it as an integral part, 

 as they do in the physical biology, and there is a special line item 

 for facilities in oceanography, both ship and shore facilities. 



Mr. EoGERS. How many marine biologists do you have on your 

 staff? 



Dr. Carlson. Dr. John S. Rankin, Jr., Program Director, Environ- 

 mental Biology, is the marine biologist in the Biological and Medical 

 Sciences Division. However, the National Science Foundation uses 

 a number — between 35 and 50 — of consultants from colleges and uni- 

 versities to provide scientific judgment on specific projects and pro- 

 grams. 



Mr. Haworth. I should say, and I failed to, Mr. Rogers, that the 

 facilities should not, perhaps, be dig-nified as line items as they are 

 discussed by Congress, although they are shown in our detailed 

 budget as separate items for facilities, both ship and shore, in both 

 the physical and the biological areas. 



Mr. Rogers. Now, what is your comparable budgets in the two 

 areas ? 



Mr. Haworth. I am afraid I could not say the breakdown. Our 

 total budget, as I said, is about half and half. 



Incidentally, I should haA^e also mentioned, of course, that the 

 Antaractic program has a component of oceanography, and we arrive 

 at that by a different method. There the totality of the Antarctic 

 program is in one office in the Foundation. The head of that is 

 parallel to Dr. Carlson, and there, because we have the total re- 

 sponsibility for the whole Government for that program, we treat 

 that as a unit and although it is very easy to separate the ocean- 

 ography from the rest, because obviously one is on land and one is on 

 sea, but the process is, of course, a little different there, but very 

 easily identified. 



Mr. Rogers. This puts about $7 million to each activity, would you 

 say? 



Mr. Haworth. I would saj there is probably about $T million, 

 roughly in the physical side m Dr. Bader's shop, about that in Dr. 

 Carlson's shop, and perhaps three or so in the Antarctic program. 



The Indian Ocean Expedition, incidentally, although it was treated 

 as a national program, was contributed to by both Dr. Bader and 

 Dr. Carlson. 



Mr. Rogers. How many ships are you building this coming year? 



Mr. Haworth. We are not starting any new ones this coming year. 



Mr. Rogers. Or any planes ? 



Mr. Haworth. Not this coming fiscal year. 



Mr. Rogers. What about the next fiscal year ? 



Mr. Haworth. There are some that are buildmg 



