538 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



the new Agors that are being built by the Navy ; there are two of them 

 nearing completion. 



You can do practically everything that you want aboard ships of 

 this sort. The Atlantis 11^ for instance, is completely quiet. You can 

 do acoustical work 



Mr. Rogers. Do we have any nonmagnetic oceanographic ships ? 



Mr. Haworth. The Na^^y does, yes. 



Mr. Badee. As I say, you can do acoustical work, physical oceanog- 

 raphy, such as hydrographic cast, biological oceanography, sedi- 

 ment coring and the laboratory facilities are such that one can work 

 on the materials while at sea, so all of these make up for a more effective 

 utilization than with the ships in the past. 



Mr. Rogers. I understand you run the data center. It is under your 

 jurisdiction. 



Mr. Bader. Funds for the National Oceanographic Data Center 

 come from the physical oceanography program, yes, sir. 



Mr. Rogers. You fund them ? 



Mr. Bader. We fund them. 



Mr. Haworth. His program funds the Foundation's share. Ac- 

 tually there are, I think, nine agencies that help fund it. Nine de- 

 par'tments or agencies. 



Mr. Rogers. Yes. 



Now, do you have in your shop any 5- or 10 -year program for ocean- 

 ography, that you see in the future what you want to do ? 



Mr. Haworth. Not in any precise science, Mr. Rogers ? 



Mr. Rogers. Do you think it would be a good idea to have some plan 

 like that? 



Mr. Haworth. "Well, we try as best we can and, of course, there is 

 a projected plan for the Government as a whole, but there is a lot of 

 give-and-take in this as time goes along, about who will do this and 

 who will do that. 



We have tried to project funds, but things change so rapidly that 

 it is, of course, pretty difficult to do that. 



_ Mr. Rogers. I notice you have in your statement felt that a na- 

 tional commission to study the goals, perhaps the organizational set- 

 up, the funding, the problems involved in the overall oceanography 

 problems of this Nation — you think it should be imdertaken at this 

 time? 



Mr. Haavorth. Not at this time, and I stress the "at this time." 

 This is because there exists the PSAC study which, as I said, is being 

 done by a group of very, very good people ; as I said in my testimony, 

 I think that it might very well be that this should be followed up by 

 a broader study with perhaps extra emphasis on the resources side, but 

 building on the base of the study that is now going on. 



I am not trying to project beyond a year or so in my statement. 



Mr. Rogers. Of course, I am concerned that any delay of an overall 

 study would probably take a year and a half or two years to be an 

 effective study? 



Mr. Haworth. I would think so, a year anyway ; that is, in as com- 

 plete a sense as your proposal. 



Mr. Rogers. To undertake all problems. 



It is my understanding from Dr. Hornig that the group he has set 

 up is a group of all outside of the Government people. 



