NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 539 



Mr. PIa WORTH. They are all from outside the Government, although 



1 can think of at least three who have very recently been in the Gov- 

 ernment: Dr. F] eagle, who was in OST under Dr. Wiesner, and then 

 under Dr. Hornig; Dr. Ruina, who was the head of ARPA until, I 

 guess, 2 year ago ; and Dr. Larson, who was in DOD fairly recently. 



So there are those three at least, and I do not recall if there are any 

 others. I happen to have a list of them here. I guess there are no 

 others that I recognize that have been in the Government. 



Mr. Rogers. It is my understanding that they will meet once a 

 month for 2 days. This is their projected schedule. 



Mr. EUwoRTH. I am not fully conversant with how often they are 

 meeting. That might bo a statistical average— for example, during the 

 summer, of course, they are meeting more frequently and longer. 

 During the winter, when some of the academic people have their teach- 

 ing duties and so forth, it will probably be less, but as I gather, it is 



2 or 3 days a month for a year or something like that. 



Mr, Rogers. About 9 months, 2 days, they advised me. 



Dr. Hornig, whose office has undertaken to set this up, does not have 

 a staffman that is fully assigned to them, so that they are operating 

 pretty much on a shoestring, it looks like to me, and for 18 days now 

 of study either going to come up with a plan to develop this Nation's 

 oceanography program. They do not have any charter to write to go 

 into the legal problems, we know that. 



We do not actually have a Government representative on the panel 

 as such, and yet we are a very major contributor to research and 

 development in this field, and it concerns me that everyone is taking a 

 pat answer, "Well, we are going to do a little study here, and let us not 

 do anything until we do this study." 



We have had a number of studies on oceanography. The Navy 

 did one. Surely we could have used that, and it seems to me that this 

 present study that is going on could be presented to a national com.- 

 mission and not hold up getting going on this thing that we know is 

 going to have to be taken into consideration, particularly they are not 

 even considering all of the problems involved in oceanography. 

 Would you agree ? 



Mr. Haworth. This might well be a good way to approach it, Mr. 

 Rogers, but I do not 



Mv. Rogers. It seems to me you are trying to tread water here. 



Mr. Haworth. I do not think we should have two things that are 

 exactly parallel in time. 



Mr. Rogers. I would hope we would have a broader comprehensive 

 study than is going on now. 



Mr. Haworth. Let me give you an example of, I think, the sort of 

 thing perhaps that you are saying. 



In the field of weather modification, the National Academy has a 

 committee on atmospheric sciences, as you know, and that committee 

 has a panel on weather modification ; that panel was set up a year and 

 a half or so ago, something of that sort. It is nearing the end of its 

 study. We will have a report, I gather, sometime in the fall. 



As you know, the National Science Foundation has a special respon- 

 sibility assigned to it by the Congress in the field of weather modifica- 

 tion which goes beyond just our usual basic science support type of 

 activity. 



