NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 559 



Mr. Casey. Mr.Pelly? 



Mr. Pelly. Mr. Chairman, I would like to join with our colleaa^ue, 

 Mr. Rogers of Florida, and point up the contribution that your Con- 

 gressman has made toward oceanography as a member of this com- 

 mittee, and I think I can say without any equivocation at all that 

 he has shown probably as much or more interest in this subject than 

 anj^one. He is very proud of your great institution. Woods Hole, and 

 is trying to do everything he can for oceanography, and I think we are 

 very lucky to have him. 



To me it is significant as an alumnus of Woods Hole that you have 

 come down here as a businessman. This points up what a wonderful 

 system of government we really have when a citizen can come before 

 a committee of Congress and express his views. Certainly, as I say, 

 it points up that this is a great country and T for one want to join 

 Mr. Keith in welcoming you here, because I think oceanography would 

 be advanced if more people similar to yourself would come before 

 our committees and express their views. 



I happen to represent a different coast, the State of Washington, 

 where we have, we think, a very fine college of fisheries, and it is a 

 long ways to come, but I wish some of my constituents that were as 

 interested as you are would come and appear before this committee. 

 I welcome you here today and hope that you will feel that the effort 

 that you made in coming down here was worthwhile ; I think it was. 



Mr. Frantz. Thank you, Mr. Pelly. 



Mr. Casey. Mr. Dow ? 



Mr. Dow. Yes, I would like to compliment Mr. Frantz on a very 

 thoughtful and well-expressed presentation. 



I have one question, Mr. Frantz, and that is, Under this general 

 head of "Marine Exploration and Development" which is covered in 

 the bill offered by Representative Keith, could you give us a typical 

 example of some project that might be undertaken within the scope 

 of this act ? In other words, what would be the objective of a project ? 

 T^'liat would the results be, and what would be the means of attacking 

 it? 



Mr. Frantz. I am not a geologist ; I am an engineer who manufac- 

 tures equipment, but I would say that a very proper activity under 

 such legislation would be an assessment of the mineral resources on 

 the Continental Shelf. 



Now, how far the Federal Government wants to go in that kind 

 of exploration I am not prepared to say. I think there comes a point 

 when the knowledge so gained is public knowledge and if it has eco- 

 nomic value it will then be used by those non-Government activities — 

 mining companies, for example — ^who will then derive economic benefit 

 from the resources that have been proven. 



Mr. Dow. Of course, 3^ou loiow that all over the world there are 

 big mining and petroleum companies that are exploring on dry land^ 

 on all the continents 



Mr. Frantz. And they are getting their feet wet, too. 



Mr. Dow. They are developing new deposits of nickel, for instance, 

 in Canada, and oil in various places. 



Now, I would judge in your opinion, then, that these private or- 

 ganizations are not exploiting the possibilities in the sea as much as^ 

 they should, and something needs to be clone about that. 



