566 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



subject, because you hare very definite ideas, and particularly I am 

 interested in the fact that you are very critical of the idea of putting 

 all the various responsibilities that are now under various agencies of 

 Government into one single agency, and the way that it might deplete 

 the persomiel that is available. 



Actually, hi the NASA program, in the Space Agency, the Govern- 

 m.ent is having to pour millions of dollars back to educational institu- 

 tions to try to develop scientists and engineers to replace those in pri- 

 vate industry that NASA has taken away, in order to develop its 

 program. 



I take it that actually you do not favor that type of operation as far 

 as the pursuit of oceanography is concerned ? 



Mr. Stephax. If I may, sir, I would like to explain perhaps a little 

 further than I did in my paper. 



I feel that an agency such as NASA, or to go back to another pro- 

 gram that is close and dear to my heart, the Polaris program in the- 

 Navy, have been very successful because they had a single product as 

 an end product. I do not believe that this is true in our national 

 oceanographic program, sir. I feel that here we are developing a com- 

 petency in a broad area, not coming to the end of putting a man on the 

 moon or to develop a particular system that will do a specific thmg. 



In this particular (NASA) case the designation of a single agency,. 

 I feel, is not only justified but perhaps the best way, although maybe 

 not the most economical. But when you are trying to develop a com- 

 petency for the Nation in a broad area of sicence or engineering, I do 

 not feel that tliis can be done by an agency without drawing almost 

 everybody in the country with competence into that agency, sir. 



Mr. Pellt. I must say that I originally started out with the thought 

 that if we were ever going to get any place we were going to have to 

 have one agency in order to get enough support, in order to develop 

 the resources of the sea and explore them ; but I have, over the years, 

 come to the conclusion and can now agree with you that it is better 

 if we proceed in another way, and this was the reasoning of the late 

 President Kemiedy. 



Mr. Stephan. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Pellt. And certainly no one had a greater interest in this. 

 President Kennedy did not want to put this all in one agency. 



I certainly welcome you here today; I enjoyed your contribution 

 very much. 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you. 



Mr. Keith? 



Mr. Keith. Nice to see you again, sir. I noted that you in your 

 testimony left out the word "Boca Eaton" as the location of your 

 institution. 



]Mr. Stephax. I was tiding to save a second of time, sir. 



Mr. Keith. I see. Well, it brought back very pleasant memories 

 of our visit down there, and all of us, I think, were very impressed 

 with your efforts in the field of ocean enffineerino;. 



As I look over your testimony — and I think it is an excellent ap- 

 praisal of our T^roblem — ^you list the things that you feel are needed 

 on page 2, and the No. 1 item you have is : 



Specific and detailed surveys of our Continental Shelves to determine what 

 is available, where, and what are the means to gather and process the resources? 



