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up quite a bit of it, but we are going to encounter collateral problems 

 probably. What private industry should have to do to make adjust- 

 ments to this is also a matter that should give us concern. It may well 

 be that we shovild have loan programs that would permit private in- 

 dustry which has been set up in the past to dispose of its waste in this 

 way to make the necessary adjustment. It might bankrupt some of 

 them if they did not get such assistance. 



I would not propose giving money to private industry but that we 

 might well set up a system of loans to enable private industry to con- 

 vert its functioning so that it would not in any way be in conflict with 

 the public interest. Although. this principle is sound, Mr. Chairman. 



Now I want to say this. I guess it is not politic to say. I think some 

 of our people who are dedicated and devoted to the cause of conserva- 

 tion and the ecology — one of the Cracker politicians calls it "ec'o 

 log'ogy" because everybody has not got accustomed to this new phrase 

 or new wording yet. I think some of those good people are going to 

 the extreme in some of their demands that they are making, and they 

 are going to run into and provoke a reaction, I think, if they do insist 

 upon going to the extreme. 



I think they therefore ought to contemplate that they are now where 

 you cannot talk about anything but what they say that it pollutes 

 something. I wonder sometimes whether when you walk across the 

 grass you might step on the bugs that might have a right to live in the 

 luxurious green foliage of many of our grassy areas. 



But this kind of thing, tliis is sound and this should be insisted upon 

 and this should have priority. Any other pollution to any of our 

 streams should have priority. Pollution of the air, nobody has a right 

 to pollute the air which we breathe. I think the pollution of the water, 

 the pollution of the air should have priority and those programs should 

 go strongly ahead, but it gets to the point now you cannot build an 

 airport or you cannot fly a plane without somebody telling you it is 

 going to damage the ecology. 



There is going to be eventually, I am afraid, a reaction. I don't want 

 to see any reaction toward the very desirable ends of protecting the 

 environment of our people but we are on solid ground when we are 

 talking about preserving our waterways and preserving the air of our 

 people, and that is what this bill primarily relates to. 



Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. We thank you very much for your excellent presenta- 

 tion and recognition that there must be a balance somewhere. 



Mr. Pepper. Right. 



Mr. Lennoiv. Now we will hear from the distinguished chairman of 

 the full committee who wants to address the two subcommittees this 

 morning on this subject. 



Mr. Garmatz. 



STATEMENT OF HON. EDWARD A. GARMATZ, A REPRESENTATIVE 

 IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MARYLAND 



Mr. Garmatz. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



I introduced H.R. 4723, which is an administration bill, because I 

 think it is essential for this Nation to protect its marine resources 



