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I have the feeling we are always told the research is related to 

 something, but on more careful study, oftentimes one finds this is 

 really not so. 



The bill refers to emergencies where permits will not be required. 



Wliat would these emergencies constitute, and what would be the 

 handlino- of emergency procedures ? 



Mr. TiLrViN. It has been suggested to me that this is dealing with, in 

 part, the case where a vessel may be in distress on tlie seas, and dumps 

 its cargo, or some part of it as a matter of saving lives, or something 

 of that sort. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Is that the only emergency to which that section 

 alludes? 



Mr. Teaix. It is tlie only one I have any knowledge of myself. 



I will be glad to explore this further. 



Mr. DiNGELL. I think the committee would be grateful for your help. 



I ha^re a distinct feeling that if the emergency is alluded to, the 

 bill should be more precise. 



Do you contemplate any emergency disposal matter from land 

 sources, like carrying radioactive materials, rockets, nerve gas, or 

 something for dumping on an emergency basis ? 



Mr. Tkaix. Certainly nothing of that sort is contemplated. 



I suppose it is perfectly possible, if for some reason something 

 will blow up inside of a half hour, you will try to get rid of it. 



I do not see an;^7thing of that sort here, and it is not the reason 

 for this provision as far as I know. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Would it not be possible in some kind of land origina- 

 tion to ocean disposal, that if that was necessary, you could authorize 

 the Administrator of EPA to set up some kind of emergency pro- 

 cedures to handle this kind of thing on a quick basis, rather than say 

 they could proceed without a permit ? 



Would you want to give the committee your views on that, Mr. 

 Train? 



Mr. Traiis^. Well, I do not think I can really add to what I have 

 already said, Mr. Chairman, without a little more information as to 

 just the kind of situation that this covers. 



It is in fact a vessel in distress sort of thing, I do not think 

 there are any procedures that could be set up that would not be too 

 slow. 



Mr, DixGELL. Now, the Chair would like to consider very carefully 

 the relationship of permits called for under the legislation to other 

 permits authorized under present laws. 



You have, first of all, the permit under the Kefuse Act. 



That would not be impaired ; am I correct ? 



Mr. Train. That is correct. 



Mr. Dijs^gell. You have the 1888 act, am I correct, which dealt with 

 the harbor in Philadelphia, and so forth, that would not be impaired ? 



Mr. Train. This would be superseded by this legislation. 



Mr. DiNGELL. All right. 



You have the requirement of the Fish and Wildlife Coordination 

 Act. 



Mr. Train. No. 



