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Energy Commission to engage in permits under the circumstances, it is 

 not good. 



Mr. Train. Let's remember the Atomic Energy Commission has 

 taken the lead worldwide in stopping ocean disposal of radioactive 

 waste. 



Mr. DiisTGELL. I can remember the day when they were loading the 

 rivers with just hundreds of tons of curious radioactive materials, and 

 this was the water source of many communities out there in New 

 Mexico, Arizona and Colorado. 



Now, it may be the Atomic Energy Commission has arrived in the 

 20th century, but I am prepared to see that more clearly than I have 

 so far. 



Well, thank you. 



Mr. Everett. That is all I have. 



Mr. DuPoNT. One final question. 



I have looked at your data in your policy report concerning_ ton- 

 nage dumping, and so forth, but nowhere in here do I see an estimate 

 of, if you had a permit issuing authority in Environmental Protection 

 Agency, how many permits a year you think you would be dealing 

 with. 



Are you talking of 10,000, or a thousand ? 



Have you any feel for that at all ? 



Mr. Train. No, Mr. duPont. 



Now, maybe we do have that information. I am sure that in arriving 

 at estimates of expenditure requirements for the administration of 

 this permit system, that there are some estimates that have been 

 developed. 



How accurate they are, I don't know, but I will certainly see to it 

 we develop something before 5^ou. 



Mr. DuPoNT. I think the primary responsibility of EPA is in try- 

 inar to pull its air quality standards together. If you take 10.000 per- 

 mits, and require a hearing, and put this in addition, they will have 

 to have a substantial increase of manpower, and we appreciate that. 



Mr. Train. Yes, sir. 



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The Emvironmental Protection Agency has estimated that at least 3.000 permit 

 applications per year will be received under this bill if enacted. We generally 

 concur with this estimate. The number of total regulatory actions required 

 by EPA may be higher if requests for EPA certification of the dumping aspects 

 of corps dredge and fill permit applications under the Rivers and Harbors Act 

 of 1899 are added to the number of direct applications for an ocean dumping 

 permit. 



Mr. DiNGEix. Mr. Anderson. 



Mr. Anderson. Mr. Train, in circumstances where degrees of statu- 

 tory stringency exist among various regulatory bodies, I can see the 

 possibility of serious complication and much confusion arising. 



For example, if a State or local government has its own regulations 

 and the Federal Government its regulations, would the applicant be 

 required to obtain a permit from each of the local governments as 

 well as the Federal ? 



Mr. Train. It is the intention that EPA would regulate all dump- 

 ing offshore, including within the 3-mile limit, but that in cases where 



