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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Dr. Ketchum. I thank you. I think it is very important to under- 

 stand the system that we are working with. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Thank you, Mr. LaGarza. 



Mr. Pelly? 



Mr. Pellt. Dr. Ketchum, your testimony is always of great inter- 

 est to this committee. You have a regular representative down here 

 from Woods Hole, my colleague on my left. He looks after your inter- 

 est even more than I do. 



Dr. Ketchum. To our pleasure, sir. 



Mr. Pellt. There are some questions I would like to ask. One has 

 to do with reference to your statement that additional funding was 

 needed for research. I certainly agree with that. 



In the Roger's bill you referred to, H.R. 3662, there is an authori- 

 zation for $1 million. I don't think the administration has any pro- 

 vision for additional f miding as I recall. 



Dr. Ketchum. That is correct. 



Mr. Pelly. I take it what you are referring to is that the committee 

 would do well to add a pro^dsion such as in the Roger's bill if they 

 amend the administration's bill, the chairman's bill, and bring it out. 

 That is correct? 



Dr. Ketchum. I would be pleased to see that done if it can be done. 



Mr. Pelly. On page 8 of your statement you indicated marine 

 studies could be done by EPA. How about the National Science 

 Foundation or NOAA ? Wouldn't they be agencies that would provide 

 for additional research work ? 



Dr. Ketchum. They certainly would, sir. 



I mentioned EPA specifically because it is the Administrator of 

 EPA that the bill provides will have the authority to issue permits. 



In order to understand the system he must have within his organi- 

 zation a group of knowledgable people on the subject. I meant the 

 next phase "grants and contracts to organizations capable of under- 

 taking the research" to be comprehensive and to include both private 

 institutions, universities, other government agencies. I did not spell it 

 out in detail but used the word "organization" as being all inclusive. 



Mr. Pelly. I do not think that I know of any environmentalist or 

 ecologist that is presently of a high level on the NOAA roster. So I 

 think in asking that question I probably touched on a rather weak 

 spot in the present organization, although they may have added some. 

 I did know of many biologists or good people that they have but not 

 marine scientists. 



Dr. Ketchum. They do have what was the Bureau of Commercial 

 Fisheries, now the National Marine Fisheries Service I believe they 

 are calling it, with several good people in that organization. 



Mr. Pelly. I may underrate them because they have never had 

 adequate funding to do the kind of job they should have done. 



Dr. Ketchum. That is true. 



Mr. Pelly. Wliich material should be flatly prohibited and which 

 should be phased out ? You might not only answer that question off the 

 top of your head but if you would supply it for the record I think it 

 would be helpful. 



Dr. Ketchum. I listed specifically toxic industrial wastes, biological 

 and chemical warfare materials, and high level radioactive wastes. 



