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tary streams, otlier waters of the United States and waters contiguous to the 

 United States, a comprehensive program of research, study, and experimentation 

 relating to dredged spoil. This program shall be carried out in cooperation with 

 other Federal and State agencies, and shall include but not be limited, to investi- 

 gations on the characteristics of dredged spoil, and alternative methods of its 

 disix)sal. To the extent that such study .shall include the effects of such dredge 

 spoil on water quality, the facilities and personnel of the Environmental Pro- 

 tection Agency shall be utilized. 



We greatly appreciate the cliairman's call for balance and wish to 

 express our thanks to the chairman and members of the respective 

 subcommittees for this opportunity to present our views. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Mr. Langiois, the coixunittee is very grateful to you 

 for a very helpful statement. 



The Chair recognizes Mr. Kyros. As I understand, he is your 

 representative, a very able one, and we have a great deal of respect for 

 him. 



Mr. Kyros. Tliank you, Mr. Chairman. 



I would like to welcome Mr. Langiois here. I have known him for 

 many years as general manager for the Portland, Maine, authority, 

 and am well aware of what he is trying to do for our city of Portland. 

 Now, in Portland Harbor we dump, I believe, 16 million gallons of 

 raw municipal sewage every day from the out- falls of the city of 

 Portland, and other out-falls. Is that correct ? 



Mr. Langlois. Mr. Kyros, we dump a great deal, and I don't have the 

 numbers. We are aware of it, and I know the community is and they 

 are taking steps to redirect it. 



Mr. Kyros. Of course, we conduct dredging regularly in Portland 

 Harbor, using it, for the moment, as an example of a typical port? 



Mr. Langlois. That is correct. 



Mr, Ktros. I note from your statement jour feelings with regard to 

 contaminated spoils, dredging spoils; where they should be located 

 after they are dredged and how this matter should be left to the Corps 

 of Engineers. 



Mr. Langlois. That is correct. 



Mr. Kyros. Also, I understand from your statement that you feel 

 that the real problem lies with the contaminated factor, things like 

 sewage. And that if we just started out with the clay, silt, or soil 

 that is on the ocean bottom, we would not have as much trouble re- 

 locating this dredered material. 



Mr. Langlois. That is correct. 



Mr. Kyros. But don't you feel that someone like the Environmental 

 Protection Agencv should have some uniform voice or idea as to what 

 the corps is doing ? The act as proposed here so provides, that the corps 

 will seek to obtain permits from the Environmental Protection 

 Agency. 



Mr. Langlois. We are concerned. Congressman Kyros, with excessive 

 delavs at this time in granting permits from the corps for projects that 

 are basic and important to the development of ports throughout the 

 country. We understand it and we accept it. We are concerned how- 

 ever that another agency participating in the lengthy debates of the 

 granting of the permit would tie us up to such an extent that the cost- 

 benefit ratio that has been established could well be jeopardized and 

 the -nroject could then die. And this is verv serious. 



Mr. Kyros. What about the fact that the EPA would be concerned 

 with other agencies regarding the quality of pollutants that are 



