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have had ever increasing encroachment by foreign vessels. They have 

 damaged our crab pots recently. They have intruded into our waters 

 which are an exclusive fishing zone where they are not permitted, and 

 I think you need more equipment for that responsibility. That is why 

 I asked the question. ^ 



Mr. Beggs. Yes, sir, we are very conscious of our responsibility in 

 this area. As you pointed out, we are getting an increasing frequency 

 of foreign vessels intruding and violating our fishing laws. 



Mr. Pelly. Meanwhile, we loan our vessels, including the Coast 

 Guard's, to Latin American countries and they use them to patrol inter- 

 national waters and to seize our fishing fleet. So, if we could get some 

 of those back maybe we could use them to protect the fishing zone 

 and the contiguous zone and so forth without really requiring modern, 

 new equipment. 



Mr. Beggs. In answer to your previous question, it is this adminis- 

 tration's intent, as this program proceeds, to request additional facili- 

 ties and equipment from the Congress as the need develops. We think 

 we have adequate equipment to start the program and to get some feel 

 for what additional equipment will be necessary. 



Mr. Pelly. I would like one particular vessel that would be assigned 

 off the coast of Latin America to cruise and add some sense of security 

 to our fishing fleet down there, although I am not advocating that we 

 go to war. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

 Mr. DiisTGELL. Thank you, Mr. Pelly. 



Gentlemen, I will recognize Captain Heyward, who is the Ocean- 

 ogvfjphic Subcommittee counsel. 



Mr. Heyward. Mr. Beggs, this is my maiden attempt on the sub- 

 co^imittee staff to ask you a few questions. ^ 



In connection with the discussion on surveillance and enforcement 

 activity, would you care to comment as to whether or not there should 

 be a provision in the bill which might authorize the Secretary to 

 schedule the permitted dumping so that you might be able to have a 

 better grasp of the timinsr of the dumping and therefore utilize the 

 f a<"iliti8S in a more reasonable fashion ? 



Mr. Beggs. My current feeling on this is that scheduling is not 

 necessary. I mig'ht ask Admiral Hammond to comment on this further, 

 but I feel we are in a position to adequatelv handle the situation with- 

 out scheduling. If it becomes necessary, I think we would be back 

 up here asking for that authority. 



Mr. Heyward. I have another question in connection with section 

 5(c) in connection with permits. This question might be better ad- 

 dressed to the Administrator of EPA. I wonder whether you would 

 have any comment on whether the word "may" in subsection (c) under 

 (2) should be "shall". I am addressing myself to the question of what 

 thpcp permits would show that you are expected to enforce when you 

 go -"board a ship to determine what they are doing. Shouldn't the 

 legislation perhaps require each permit to contain certain information 

 w^^iph would give vou the knowledge upon which you could respond? 

 Mv. Beggs. Perhaps I should ask mv counsel to tell me what the 

 implication of that might be in terms of the Administrator's 

 responsibilities. 



