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county or municipally-owned facilities not used for commercial pur- 

 poses. In this case, examples might be navy yards, army port facilities, 

 NOAA shore facilities, government owned fuel farms, etc." 



The only thing that comes to mind is a dredge or pipeline, something 

 of that sort. Perhaps we can amplify that again for you. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Gentlemen, I have looked with interest on the Coast 

 Guard facilities that you have listed to us, and it brings to mind sev- 

 eral things. 



First of all, the Reorganization Act requires this committee to sub- 

 mit with our bill a statement of the 5-year expenses anticipated under 

 the legislation. 



Since your statement does not indicate what your estimate for the 

 5-year cost is, I would appreciate it if you will submit to us a statement 

 indicating the 5-year cost for this particular program. 



(The statement follows:) 



The estimated five year cost of the program would be $6,500,000. This includes 

 personnel augmentation and aircraft and vessel operating costs. The first year is 

 estimated to be $1,610,000, tapering off in the fourth and fifth years if dumping 

 is curtailed as CEQ desires. This does not include costs of acquiring vessels or 

 monitoring instruments. 



I would secondly like to make a statement on which I would like 

 your comment. 



I think the Coast Guard is a fine service, one of the finest I have ever 

 had the privilege of observing, but they are perhaps in terms of their 

 total mission the most undermanned and underequipped that it has 

 ever been my misfortune to look upon. 



I was in Alaska, for example, an area where you have a coastline 

 of 33,000 miles, longer than the coastline, I understand, of the rest of 

 the United States. At the time you had, and, Admiral Hammond, you 

 remember, because you were the officer up there, you had three aircraft^ 

 two of which were down, one for routine maintenance and one as a 

 result of gusty landing. You had two buoy tenders, one high endurance 

 cutter, and two low endurance cutters. 



Admiral Hammond. We had a few more buoy tenders than that. 



Mr. DiNGELL. That was substantially your capacity to police the 

 fishing problem, which is your major problem. 



Perhaps, Mr. Secretary, you and the Admiral can give us some 

 appreciation of how you are going to add this to your search and rescue 

 responsibilities, the fish protection responsibility that you have, and 

 how you are going to add tliis to the hospitalization chores that you 

 undertake to get people to the hospital when it is indicated, so as to 

 properly protect the ocean areas from illegal dumping in an area of 

 that size, with that kind of resource. 



I must tell you I don't see how in the heck you will be able to do it, 

 but I am curious to hear your explanation on that matter. 



Mr. Beggs. Certainly the Coast Guard, as you point out, has very 

 broad responsibilities in the area of search and rescue and naviga- 

 tion. 



But it is our view that as this program starts up, we can handle the 

 additional chores, where physical surveillance is necessary, within the 

 current resources. 



It was recognized that as the program developed in forthcoming 

 years, we would very likely have to request additional resources. But 



