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Mr. EoGERS. I tliought you said the Refuse Act requires a pennit 

 issued by Army Corps of Engineers for discharge of waste other than 

 municipal sewage. 



Mr. RucKELSHAUs. That is riglit. But we control the discharge of 

 municipal sewage into the territorial sea under present law, the Federal 

 "Water Pollution Control Act, not under the Refuse Act. We are asking 

 in our proposed amendment to the Federal Water Pollution Control 

 Act to extend that coverage to the contiguous zone, and even beyond, 

 when it originates here in our own country. 



INIr. Rogers. In other words, you do believe municipal systems should 

 be covered ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. They should be controlled, not necessarily by 

 permits. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, standards that they would have to meet, and so 

 forth? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. Yes. 



Mr. Rogers. Xow jou also say dumping of some materials, such as 

 cb.emical warfare materials and toxic industrial wastes, would be 

 stopped immediately. Should this be stopped immediately? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. We think it should be, Mr. Chairman. That is 

 why we suggested that power should be given to the agency to stop it, 

 Mr. Rogers. 



Mr. Rogers. Is there any reason now why Federal installations 

 couldn't immediately be stopped in line with the Presidential intent? 



Mr. RrcKELSHAUs. I think that the Federal agencies, in compliance 

 with Presidential Executive Order 11507, should stop the discharge of 

 any of these materials. 



iVIr. Rogers. Are you aware of the dumping that the Norton Air 

 Force Base has been carrying on ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. I understand, Mr. Rogers, you brought that up 

 yesterday and that Chairman Train was going to get you an immediate 

 answer to it. I have just gotten back late last night and will work with 

 him in getting that answer for you. 



Mr. Rogers. There was some discussion by the Norton Air Force 

 Base that they w^ere dumping, but they said it was treated by the pub- 

 lic body into which thev have arrangement to make their dumpings 

 into the waste system. When we talked to the body out there, they said, 

 "Oh, no, it must be treated by the people who dump before we accept 

 it". 



So, we have a chicken and an egg, and nobody does it. And do you 

 recall any impact statement having been filed by them ? 



Mr. RucKELSHATJS. No, I do not. 



Mr. Rogers. As a matter of fact, has any military installation filed 

 an impact statement with your office ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. I think some of them have, but I can't give you 

 any specific examples. But I would be glad to supply them for you. 



Mr. Rogers. I presume they would file it with counsel, but they 

 would ask for your comment, wouldn't they ? 



Mr. RUCKELSHAUS. That is right. Under the Security Order we are 

 the agency which gives them teclmical assistance in treating their 

 waste of every kind. 



