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Mr. Rtjckelshaus. It would exclude, yes, it excludes rivers. These 

 are covered under Federal Water Pollution Control Act. 



Mr. DiKGELL. If the gentleman would yield, it doesn't include 

 rirennouths. 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. No, that is right. Estuaries and harbors and tidal 

 waters are specifically included. 



Mr. Downing. The Federal Water Pollution Act would cover the 

 rivers, then ? 



Mr. KucKELSHAus. That is right, insofar as they are tidal. 



Mr. Downing. But this act does include harbors ? 



Mr. R-TJCKELSHAus. That is right. 



Mr. Downing. What about dumping of ships, dumping into harbors, 

 does it cover that ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAUs. You are talking about oil dumping? 



]Mr. Downing. Oil or sewage, either. 



3Ir. RucKELSHAUs. Oil is specifically included under section 11 of 

 the Water Pollution Control Act. The "V'cssel regulation for the dis- 

 charge of sewage is covered under section 12 of the Water Pollution 

 Control Act. 



Mr. Downing. Does this include ships ? 



INIr. RucKELSHAus. Yes, it does. All vessels. We are in the process 

 of adopting regulations now for the control of discharge of sewage 

 from vessels. 



]Mr. Downing. The Navy discharges sewage while in the harbors? 



]Mr. RucKELSHATJS. That is right. 



Mr. Downing. Would that be in A'iolation of the law ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. It is not now in violation of the Federal water 

 pollution control law. We are in the process of adopting standards 

 for regulations to control the discharge of sewage from any vessels. 



Mr. Downing. A ship won't have to file an impact statement to dis- 

 charge sewage, would it? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. Not that I know of. 



Mr. Downing. How many people do you have in your office, Mr. 

 Ruckelshaus ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAiTs. We have 6,000 employees in the agency. 



Mr. Downing. Do you think that is adequate to handle the new 

 duties under this legislation ? 



Mr. Ruckelshaus. No, we have requested in our fiscal year 1972 sub- 

 mission to Congress a 41 -percent increase in our personnel in order to 

 meet the responsibilities, not only of this act, but under other acts that 

 we are requesting Congress pass. 



Mr. Downing. Thank you very much. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Mr. du Pont ? 



Mr. DU Pont. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Ruckelshaus, following up on Mr. Rogers' line of thinking, one 

 of the reasons in my view that we haven't had any effective enforce- 

 ment yet of the Air Pollution Act of 1970 is l^ecause we have a tre- 

 mendous tangle of jurisdictions. There have been three air pollution 

 standards approved by your agency at different times. We have State 

 jurisdiction. We have Federal jurisdiction. I am not convinced that 

 we are ever going to get out of that bog, but isn't this kind of legisla- 

 tion an opportunity to avoid that bog the second time around? Isn't 



