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Mr. Karth. Was it because there lias been no visible sheen or 

 because they are nice fellows ? T\niich oiie is it ? 



Mr. RucKEJLSHAus. I don't think it is an either-or situation. We are 

 trying to. develop regulations which can be met in a very short time 

 period by the industry on the many facilities which are located in 

 territorial waters. 



Mr. Karth. But you are constantly pursuing that, are you,. 

 Mr. Euckelshaus? 



Mr. Euckelshaus. That is right. Don't think for a minute that 

 where we have had these repeated instances of accidents that we can 

 permit this to continue. 



Mr. Karth. I am glad to hear you say that. 



Mr. Chairman, one more question. 



I thought yesterday I might be the only one confused by AEC's 

 testimony and apparently both of us, and other members of the com- 

 mittee, ha^^e been confused. What is your position on that ? Do you feel 

 they really ought to have exclusionary clause in this 4723? 



Mr. Euckelshaus. It is my miderstanding from testimony yester- 

 day that the present permits would run out before this act actually 

 came into existence, and the question in my mind is as to whether 

 there should be a distinction between AEC issuing a permit and any 

 other agency a permit. 



Mr. Karth. That is the same question in my mind. What is your 

 judgment on that? 



Mr. Euckelshaus. It depends on the degree of consultation that the 

 act provides and the veto poAver that we would have over any permit 

 they issued. And if the testimony as I understand it yesterday was 

 correct, I really don't see any reason for the exclusion. 



Mr. Karth. Well, I agree with you that I don't really understand 

 it ; but as I understand it, i^robably that is the conclusion I would huve 

 to come to. Basically, you do agree that there should be no exclusion 

 for AEC, irrespective of whether we understand their testimony or 

 not ? Do you agree ? 



Mr. Euckelshaus. I will have to qualify the statement by saying^ 

 based on what I understand the testimony to be yesterday, I don't see. 

 There may be some reasons that I am not aware of that I will have to 

 inform myself on. 



]Mr. Karth. Whatever the reasons might be, and whatever their 

 testimony said, isn't it fair to treat them the same as all other agencies 

 of the Government? 



Mr. Euckelshaus. Certainly. No one can quarrel with that. I 

 don't know that it is a question of equal treatment or fair treatment. 

 If that is the only question, then 



Mr. Karth. Well, let's say the same treatment, afford them the 

 same treatment. 



Mr. Euckelshaus. That is right, 



Mr. Karth. Nothing better and nothing worse. 



Mr. Euckelshaus. I can't quarrel with that. 



Mr. Karth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Thank you Mr. Euckelshaus. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Mr. Euppe ? 



Mr. Euppe. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



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