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there are such national problem areas as agricultural wastes, other urban wastes 

 (including urban runoff), power plant wastes (thermal), mining wastes (includ- 

 ing acid mine drainage), and oil and hazardous material discharges. All of 

 these problem areas, not just municipal and industrial wastes, must be cor- 

 rected in order to meet water quality goals. Consequently, the WQO/EPA is 

 addressing effort in each of these directions to achieve national goals. 



Mr. Rogers. Now, let me ask you this. You have 6,000 employees you 

 say ? 



Mr. EucKELSHAus. That is right. 



Mr. EoGEES. How many do you plan to hire in addition to the 6,000? 



My. Ruckelshaus. We have requested an increase of 41 percent so 

 we will go to 9,000 at this time next year, if the budget passes. 



Mr. RoGEES. "Wliere will these people be used mainly ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. Primarily in the Water Quality Office and in the 

 Air Pollution Control Office, although we are in the process again of 

 reorganizing the Agency so that to strictly say they will be in one or 

 two of these offices may not be true after the reorganization, because 

 it may be we will functionalize in area of standard setting and enforce- 

 ment so that more people would be in those areas that might be spe- 

 cifically dealing with these problems, but not in those offices. 



^Ir. Rogers. Wliat is the number of personnel you have for monitor- 

 ing in the field what is happening ? 



Sir. RucKELSHAus. We presently have, as best we can determine be- 

 cause some people perform more than just one function, in the neigh- 

 borhood of 250 to 300 ]3eople involved in monitoring. We have an as- 

 sistant Achninistrator for research and monitoring. One of his prime 

 functions is monitoring. There are a number of Federal agencies 

 which also do monitoring, NEAA and Interior Department and Corps 

 of Engineers that are involved in this, along with State agencies which 

 we finance and which we match fmids for State pollution control agen- 

 cies which do a lot of monitoring. We do not have, in all honesty, a 

 very good fix on just how much monitoring is going on, how much we 

 need, and we need to get a lot more information about this. 



]Mr. Rogers. I agree. I think we are verj^ deficient on efforts in moni- 

 toring. I would think one of the primary areas you would look at im- 

 mediately is the monitoring of outfalls. Is there any program for 

 that specifically? 



]Mr. RxrcKELSHAUs. Under the permit program, there is a provision 

 foi? monitoring by the industry itself which is discharging into any 

 stream. There has to be a sworn statement by the industrs^ what is in 

 their effluent, and we will in turn monitor those statements to insure 

 that they have told us the truth, and that there is a provision in the 

 permit program itself for self -monitoring by industry. 



]Mr. Rogers. "NYlien is the effective date of your permit program ? 



Mr. Rtjckelshaus. The application has to be in by July 1. 



]\Ir. Rogers. Is there a cutoff date, when they cannot discharge un- 

 less they have a permit ? 



]Mr. Rtjckelsttax'S. We don't have an^- strict cutoff date as of this 

 time. We are going to process these permits as fast as we possibly can. 



Mr. Rogers. I believe you estimated it would be 40,000. 



IMr. RucKELSHAUs. That is right. 



Mr. Rogers. What is the time element you have estimated that you 

 ■can work through those ? 



