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Mr. EucKELSHAUs. One of the tilings that we do know is that in 

 traveling around to our regions in the country, we basically know who 

 the people are that are giving us the most problems, giving us the 

 most trouble, so what we want to do is select the permits and get at the 

 j)ermits where we really are having the problems first, and then gradu- 

 ally get down to eliminate all of them, and we had set a deadline 

 approximately 12 months to process all of the permits. Whether we 

 achieve that or not, that is in itself imj)osed as an internal deadline. 



Mr. EoGEES. How many people have you asked to do that specific 

 work ? 



Mr. RucKELSHATJS. We have requested in a supplemental budget to 

 Congress 400 people in our agency to do that, and it is my understand- 

 ing that the Corps of Engineers has something like 300 that they have 

 requested. 



Mr. Rogers. So it will be a joint effort. Is that it ? 



Mr. EucKELSHATJS. That is right. 



Mr. Rogers. Do you review all of the permits ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAUs. We review them as to whether they meet water 

 quality standards. 



Mr. Rogers. Water quality standards are set by whom ? 



Mr. RticKELSHAus. Joint Federal- State standards in interstate 

 waters, and State in intrastate waters. 



Mr. Rogers. How do you find out what those standards are in intra- 

 state waters ? 



Mr. RucKELSHATTS. As far as intrastate standards, they are sup- 

 plied to us by the State pollution control agency. 



Mr. Rogers. You are going to check to see that they meet those 

 standards intrastate, too ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. We are going to do more than that. In some in- 

 stances they don't have standards, in which case we will see that they 

 are in compliance with jDurposes of the Federal Water Pollution Con- 

 trol Act, which will be essentially the standards we have set in other 

 areas of the country. 



Where standards are so weak that they might as well not be any 

 standards at all, we are also not going to simply rubberstamp those 

 certifications from the States as they come through for our approval. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, what authority do you have to set your standards 

 in intrastate waters ? The State does not set any ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAUs. To be perfectly frank, the authority is not as 

 clear as we would like to have it. 



jMr. Rogers. Did you ask for such authority ? 



Mr. Rtjckelshaus. We certainly have. We have asked in our amend- 

 ments to the Federal Water Pollution Control Act last year, and this 

 year, for authority to set standards in instrastate waters. 



Mr. Rogers. Has it been granted ? 



Mr. Rugkelshaus. It has not. It did not pass last year, and it is 

 pending before Congress this year. 



Mr. Rogers. Maybe we should include it in here. 



Mr. Rugkelshaus. The ocean-dumping bill has been included in 

 the Federal Water Pollution Control Act. We had hearings in the 

 Senate Public Works Committee. The problems in determining who is 



