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Mr. KoGERS. You can set standards. 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. In a year. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, I tliini: that is true all over the act. 



Mr. RucKELSiiAUS. You asked why we don't haA^e enforcement 

 standards. We don't have authority to set standards for a year. 



Mr. Rogers. If you are goine to get into that, which I was not going 

 to get into because of the time element, but there are a number of i^ro- 

 cedures that already have taken place as to regional establishments 

 under the prior act. 



ISIr. RucKELSHAus. That is right. We have no implementation plans 

 approved as of this time. 



Mr. Rogers. I don't know why not, because some have been 

 submitted. 



Mr. RucKELSHAUS. That is right. Nineteen have been submitted. 



Mr. Rogers. Sure. They told us we were going to have 52. 



ISIr. Ruckelshaus. They are not in compliance. The implementation 

 will not implement. 



Mr. Rogers. Under the old act, there are areas where you can pro- 

 ceed with enforcements, no question about it. You can have con- 

 ferences even under the old act. 



Mr. Rt'CKELSHAus. I agree with that. Under the conference proce- 

 dure, we could, but under the new act, w^e have new procedures. 



Mr. Rogers. But we did not stop those procedures under the old 

 act in the new act. If they were on-going, they are still in existence. 

 Now, you know that, 



Mr. RrcKELSiTAus. And we are going on with those. 



Mr. Rogers. But not much is going on. That is the point I was 

 making. I will not pursue that with you. 



Thank you, Mr. Ruckelshaus. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. DixGELL. Mr. Du Pont. 



Mr. DuPoxT. I iiave an additional question, Mr. Chairman, 



Mr, Ruckelshaus, you said that you thought there would be about 

 3,000 jDermit applications, 



Mr. Ruckelshaus. That is the best estimate we can come up with. 

 That is a ball park estimate. 



Mr. DuPoNT, Do you envisage for each of these 3.000 applications a 

 public hearing, or at least an opportunity for public hearing ? 



Mr. Ruckelshaus. I think there should be very similar to the 

 Corps of Engineers dredge and fill permits provisions for public hear- 

 ing, when a hearing is requested by affected citizens. 



Mr. DU Pont. I agree with that. There ought to be an opportimity, 

 but do you foresee another bogging down of procedures here ? "'_ -' 



It seems to me on every application that comes up that the more 

 militant citizens and conservation groups are going to want to have a 

 hearing ; they will want to testify ; and they are going to want to string 

 out procedures as long as they can to prevent the dimiping. 



Do you think if you go through all of this procedure that you are 

 going to issue any permits ? 



If you request enough permits, you will never get a permit, because it 

 will go on and on. 



Mr. Ruckelshaus. A lot of hearings go on in the Corps of Engi- 

 neers dredge and fill permits, and there is sometimes vigorous advo- 



