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their engineers saj^ is a better mechanism for dispersing the waste in 

 the environment. 



I am not prepared to say they are trying to avoid the law. If they 

 are, I think they are going to be included very quickly. 



Mr. DixGELL. That is one of the things I propose to try to do. 



Let me ask 3'ou this other question. Outside 12 miles, what would be 

 the requirement- for permits, under this legislation, under the other 

 proposed legislation that you have been addressing yourself to, and 

 under existing law, if you please ? 



Mr. RucKELSHAus. Outside of the 12 miles, under existing law we 

 have no authority to do anything about either outfalls or dumping. 



Under our proposed legislation, we would control the dumping of 

 any material from ships originating in our ports outside the 12-mile 

 limit. We would attempt to control the dumping from ships not orgi- 

 nating on our shores only in the contiguous zone as it affected the 

 territorial sea, and not outside the contiguous zone. 



In terms of the Water Pollution Control Act, which we have sub- 

 mitted to Congress under the other provisions, we would control out- 

 falls originating in the United States, wherever they ended up in the 

 ocean, whether it was in the contiguous zone or in the high seas. 



IMr. DiNGELL. I see. 



Mr. Euckelshaus, you and Mr. Dominick have been very patient 

 with the committee, and very helpful. We thank you for your kindness 

 and great assistance for the committee this morning. It has been a 

 privilege to have you before us. 



If there is no further business to come before us at this time, the 

 committee will stand adjourned until the hour of 2 o'clock. 



C^^rhereupon, at 12:50 p.m. the joint subcommittees recessed, to re- 

 convene at 2 p.m., the same day.) 



AFTERXOON SESSION 



Mr. DixGELL. The subcommittee will come to order. 



This is a continuation of the hearings commenced this morning on 

 the general subject of ocean dumping, and a number of pieces of 

 legislation related to that matter. 



Our first witness is INIr. Jolin R. Stevenson, legal advisor. Depart- 

 ment of State. 



Mr. Stevenson, we are pleased that you could be with us, and we will 

 be happy to recognize you for such statement as you choose to give. 



Do you have any members of your staff or associates you would like 

 to have with you at the witness table ? 



Mr. Ste\^nson. I have several with me, Mr. Chairman, but I don't 

 think it is necessary for them to come forward. 



IMr. Dingell. It is entirely appropriate if you want to have them 

 at your side. 



Mr. Stevexsox. It m?ij be that on some of the questions, I will need 

 to aslc them to join me. 



Mr. DiNGELL. We will accede to your wishes. 



If you will identify yourself fully for purpose of the record, the 

 chair will recognize you for your statement, Mr. Stevenson. 



