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General Hayes. The statement is realistic by establishing a 

 regulatory authority rather than by prohibiting all ocean disposal. 



Mr. EoGERs. That 



General Hayes. Or establishing unreasonable deadlines for such 

 determination. 



Mr. Rogers. Yes. 



General Hayes. Well, the key word is ''reasonable,'' Congressman 

 Rogers, 



Mr. Rogers. Yes. 



General Hayes. Because technologically we can't meet some things 

 at certain deadlines too close in the future. 



]Mr. Rogers. Yes. Would yoii let the committee have your thinking 

 on deadlines ? Now we have incorporated one bill, deadlines for sewage 

 and industrial wastes. 



General Hayes. Right. 



LIr. Rogers. Saying they should have primary, secondary, and ter- 

 tiary treatment by certain dates. I believe that is the only proposal on 

 dates in the legislation. 



General Hayes. That is my understanding. 



Mr. Rogers. And I presume you would have no objection to that. 



General Hayes. Well, again, I think a certain latitude, not an 

 unreasonable latitude, but a certain latitude of industry and the 

 tecluiological capability to accomplish the end point, on the concept of 

 priorities to each of these, and the effort put forward, we have no 

 argTiment with that. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, would you let us have your thinking on these 

 dates, for the record ? 



General Hayes. We will be glad to, sir. 

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Several of the bills on Marine protection would establish a rigid timetable 

 for the installation of primary, secondary and tertiary waste treatment. The 

 DoD has identified all requirements to meet existing water quality standards 

 as we know them and intends to be in full compliance with Executive Order 

 11507, "Prevention, Control and Abatement of Air and Water Pollution at 

 Federal Facilities," by 31 December 1972. To imwse a deadline where neither 

 standards have been developed nor technological know how exists does not seem 

 prudent. In any case the degree of treatment provided should be based upon 

 that required for the protection and enhancement of the receiving body of 

 water. 



Mr. Rogers. Now also, you say absolute prohibition of all ocean 

 disposal could result in teclniiques which pose greater hazards, and 

 also you thought some dumping might even help tlie ocean. Is that 

 my understanding? 



General Hayes. This is thought of some people in the techno- 

 logical area. There are things which might be either indifferent or 

 helpful. Some of them are rather technicarin this aspect. If you would 

 like that explored a little further, I can do it for the record. 



Mr. Rogers. I think you should. 



General Hayes. Fine. 



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Existing information on the environmental effects of a variety of materials 

 which find their way to the ocean are at present inconclusive. Current and 

 future research may conclusively prove that ocean dumping of some materials 

 does not damage the marine environment. The placement of discarded auto- 



