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Mr. EvEKETT. And he is concerned that operation of the vessel and 

 equipment are not covered under the exckision. And he suggests lan- 

 guage that would include language similar to what you did, that would 

 exclude the operation of the vessel from the coverage of dumping. 



And so I take it that if the interpretation is that the discharges from 

 regular operation of vessels are not covered, then it is your suggestion 

 that these items be covered under the bill as an exclusion to dumping ? 



Admiral Crawford. Well, we would like to make it clear that it is 

 certainly the intent, if not specifically in the bill, that routine opera- 

 tions of ships are to be excluded. 



Mr. Everett. He suggested an amendment more or less to this effect, 

 in the operation of vessels, cooling waters required for equipment, such 

 as winches and derricks, auxiliary machinery and so forth, as effluent, 

 is the same as the effluent from propulsion, and the bill only speaks of 

 propulsion rather than operation. 



Do you agree with Mr. Sullivan's suggestion with respect to 

 operation ? 



Admiral Crawford. I would agree to that, and if you think that it is 

 not sufficient to have the intent clarified on this, I would welcome the 

 opportunity to submit a statement as to how a portion of the bill should 

 read to satisfy these considerations. 



Mr. Everett. If you would, we would appreciate it. Admiral, if you 

 would submit suggested language to accomplish the purpose you seek. 



(The amendment follows:) 



Amendatory Language Re Vessel "Dumping" 



S. 1238 — 'Sec. 3(f) — Recommend change in definition for "Dumping" to read 

 as follows : 



f. "Dumping" means a disposition of material : provided that it does not mean 

 a disposition of any efiiuent from any outfall, or a routine discharge of wastes 

 and effluent incidental to the operation and propulsion of vessels : and . . . 



Mr. Everett. General Groves, one of the definitions of the section 

 3 (b) of the bill is that oceans, coastal, and other waters, means oceans, 

 gulfs, bays, salt water lagoons, salt water harbors, and other coastal 

 waters where the tide ebbs and flows, and the Great Lakes. I was won- 

 dering if you could give us some indication as to how far inland the 

 coverage of this bill would be with respect to the ebbing and flowing 

 of tides. 



General Groves. I can give you a couple of very specific examples. 

 In the case of the Hudson, it would be up to about Troy, N. Y. 



Mr. Everett. How far is that, sir ? Roughly. 



General Groves. About 150 miles in. And on the Mississippi it goes 

 up to, oh, slightly above Mile 350. 



Mr. EvT^iETT. 350 miles ? 



General Groves. Yes. And I would be happy to give you some others 

 for the record, if you want. 



Mr. Everett. If you would, Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask that 

 this information be supplied as to the effects of this definition con- 

 cerning the ebbs and flows of tides, with respect to these coastal areas 

 and the rivers and tributaries extending therefrom. 



Mr. Dingell. General, I think that kind of counsel would be helpful, 

 if you could give it to us. 



General Groves. All right, sir, w^e will try to work up something along 

 that line. 



