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Mr. DiNGELL. That is what you referred to when you said it will 

 make it a little harder ? 



General Groves. Yes, sir. 



Mr. DiNGELL. I think you have answered all of my questions at this 

 time. 



Gentlemen, if there are further questions the committee wishes to 

 have answered or further assistance, I assume we can come back to 

 you for guidance and counsel. 



General Hayes. We will be glad to assist you in any way. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Gentlemen, the Chair wishes to commend you for a 

 very able and very helpful presentation. 



The Chair, as I am sure you know, has long been an admirer of the 

 efficiency of the corps. Of late I have come to be an admirer of the 

 corps for its environmental concerns. So, I wish to express that to 

 each of you for your presence today. 



Mr. DiNGELL, Our next witness is Dr. Kichard Barber, Duke Marine 

 Laboratory, Beaufort, N.C. 



Dr. Barber, I don't want you to feel that we have downgraded your 

 appearance. As a matter of fact, it might be said that we have saved 

 the best for last. 



We are grateful for your attendance. 



Will you identify yourself in full by name and address. 



We will be happy to recognize you. 



STATEMENT OF DR. RICHARD BARBER, DIRECTOR, OCEANO- 

 GRAPHIC PROGRAM, DUKE MARINE LABORATORY, BEATJPORT, 

 N.C. 



Dr. Barber. I am Richard Barber, director of the oceanographic 

 program at Duke University Marine Laboratory in Beaufort, N.C. 



My experience with the ocean dumping is as an oceanographer study- 

 ing certain parts of the biological system in the waters over the New 

 York Bight dump sites. 



The proposed bill, H.R. 4723 seems to me to be a very good first step 

 in improving relations between our way of life and the ocean. 



The fact that the bill regulates the transportation, as well as the 

 dumping (sec. 4) of materials is wise and necessary in my opinion. 



I favor passage of the bill, but I feel it could be strengthened. 



This bill will perhaps be adequate in the future when we have good 

 water treatment facilities, solid waste recycling, and other environ- 

 mental amenities, but I question whether tliis bill will enable the Ad- 

 ministrator to deal in a reasonable manner with our current ocean 

 dumping problems. 



The acutely dangerous, small volume dumping practices, such as 

 cliemical warfare agents and explosives, can be halted, but the large 

 ^'olume practices such as the New York Bight dumps cannot be halted. 



We have lived with and rely on this kind of ocean disposal. How will 

 the Administrator deal with this problem ? 



One means would be to establish procedures such as the air pollution 

 abatement schedules which generate solutions in a realistic manner. 



Given : ( 1 ) authority and responsibility over the Continental Shelf 

 to a depth of 200 meters ; 



