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supported by the National Science Foundation and supported by the 

 Army Corps of Engineers, but they are very small projects. 



The other Government agencies such as State and city authorities 

 and other Federal authorities just seem to be missing from the scene. 



There is very currently concern among the people that I know 

 working there this bill has a potential effect of decreasing work 

 on the problem. 



Mr. DiNGELL. You say this bill has the potential effect of decreas- 

 ing work? 



Dr. Barber. The idea that dumping is going to be ended means 

 that there is no longer a need to study it. 



That, of course, is the thrust of my statement. 



I know and anyone who looks at the economics of the coastal popu- 

 lation centers knows that dumping is not going to be ended so that 

 the question is to work out some way to cope with it. 



This different message seems to be going out that it is going to be 

 ended so that it is no longer necessary to work in the area. 



I refer specifically, though my information may be incorrect, that 

 the Army Corps of Engineers has a 3-year plan for working on the 

 New York Bight, which in my opinion is an excellent one. 



I hear from the Army Corps of Engineers they will only carry out 

 one year of that. After that year it will presumably be EPA's respon- 

 sibility, but EPA has not announced that this is their plan. 



The Bureau of Solid Waste Management, again by verbal exchange, 

 has informed us that it is no longer funding any work on dumping 

 since dumping will be ended. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Your counsel in these matters is useful. 



We may find it necessary to communicate with the agency involved 

 regarding the points you raised. 



Your assistance to this committee in framing the appropriate ques- 

 tions to the agencies to which you have alluded for inquiry by the 

 committee will be much appreciated. 



Dr. Barber. Thank you. 



Are there any questions ? 



Mr. Everett. I have no questions, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Doctor, we thank you very much for your presence. 



You have come a considerable distance to be of assistance to the 

 committee. 



We thank you for your very generous and kind assistance. 



We are most grateful for your presentation. 



Dr. Barber. Thank you. 



Mr. DiNGELL. If there are no further witnesses to be heard, the sub- 

 committee will stand adjourned pending the call of the Chair. 



(The following information was submitted for inclusion in the 

 printed record:) 



Duke Univeksity Marine Laboratory, 



Beaufort, N.C., April 19, 1911. 

 Mr. Ned P. Everett, 



Counsel, Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries, Longworth House Office 

 Building, Washington, D.C. 



Dear Mr. Everett : When I testified on the ocean dumping bills on April 7 I 

 expressed my concern that the proposed re^latory acts appeared to be having 

 the unexpected and unintentional effect of placing in jeopardy some of tlbe on- 

 going research programs on the environmental consequences of ocean dumping 



