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The Chairman, Of course, we did liave a f urtlier problem : What 

 vehicle do we use to do this? The best I could think of offhand was 

 the National Science Foundation. 



Now, the Defense Department can do this if they want to. They 

 can use their funds with wide latitude, in research. 



I deliberately drew the National Science Foundation bill so that 

 they have pretty wide authority. They can do pretty much what they 

 want, subject, of course, to telling Congress what they need the money 

 for. 



They will be up here in about 2 weeks and I have to handle their 

 appropriation. They have wide authority to go into this field. 



Incidentally, the committee might want some comments on the 

 report of the Science Foundation on this bill, you haven't seen it. 



Mr. Brown. I have not seen it myself. 



The Chairman. Well, it is typical of Government departments : 

 "We favor the objectives, but" 



I suppose by these hearings alone we create an interest in this thing. 

 People who perhaps liave never thought of oceanograpliy before get 

 interested in it. 



Mr. Brown. I think that is correct. 



The Chairman. And by your committees and by everything else 

 you and we are doing. Until I can get some further suggestion, I 

 don't know any other place to put it but in the Science Foundation, 

 which we are discussing now ? 



Mr. Brown. Shall I continue ? 



The Chairman. Yes. 



Mr. Brown. Concerning the necessity for ocean wide surveys I know 

 that is not mentioned in the bill. We consider this a matter of key 

 importance. Just the routine getting of the geogi\aphy of the ocean, 

 of the salinities, the temperatures, and the really good maps of the 

 ocean bottom, the geologic maps and so forth. 



This has considerable fundamental importance and a great deal 

 of rather obvious and practical importance as well. 



The Chairman. Now, where would you put that in the Govern- 

 ment structure? In Coast and Geodetic? 



Mr. Brown. I believe that certainly two of our agencies should 

 be involved. One is the Coast and Geodetic Survey, where I be- 

 lieve the charter of the survej^ should be broadened so that very 

 clearly and unequivocally they may go bej^ond the Continental Shelf. 



The Chairman. I got that bill passed to get them beyond the 

 shelf. I don't know whether it has been signed yet or not. It passed 

 the House, and I don't know whether it has been signed. I don't 

 know why that should be vetoed, but we can't tell. 



You suggest the Coast and Geodetic and the Hj'drographic OtRce 

 of the Navy. 



The Chairman. The latter has broad authority to do this, too. 



Mr. Brown. In addition to that, I believe we may well consider 

 seriously having certain parts of this surve}^ job undertaken by 

 private industry. There are industries which conceivably could be 

 broadened to the point where they might undertake this much in the 

 way that certain industries do geophj-sical surveying, for example. 



The Chairman. Now, in that case I suppose practically you would 

 have to say to the Science Foundation you can contract with 



