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PUSHING FORWARD PUBLIC OPINION 
Senator Pex, Mr. Chairman, I would agree with you that a treaty 
such as I propose would take years to arrive at. But I think one of our 
functions, as Senators, is to push forward public opinion, press the 
Administration to take stands on important issues. In this matter we 
must not let ourselves be overtaken by technology. For, unlike outer 
space where nobody is likely to occupy the moon for the use thereof, 
within 10 years people will be occupying and using ocean space. T 
realize that the draft I suggested will be changed, but at least it will 
push the treaty idea forward. 
I would also agree with the Senator from New Hampshire, and 
thank him very much for his comments, his interest, and courtesy in 
this matter —for this advice on my part w: as utterly unsolicited. There 
is no question about that at all, and that is one of the reasons we are 
trying to press the Administration a little bit in this direction. 
NUMBER’ OF OCEANOGRAPHIC AGENCIES 
Another point the Senator from New Hampshire made was the pro- 
liferation in the United States of different oceanologic agencies. It is 
the same thing in the United Nations, because in the United Nations 
you have the Inter governmental Maritime Consultative Organization, 
the Ocean Study Committee of the United Nations, Tntergovernmen- 
tal Oceanographic Commission of UNESCO, World Health Orga- 
nization, getting into it, the World Meteorological Organization, Kico- 
nomic and Social Council, International Atomic Ener gy Agency, and 
the Food and Agricultur al Or ganization. 
This is another reason why some order should be maintained there, 
just as you are trying to do for the United States on the President’s 
Marine Science Commission, which you and Senator Magnuson are on. 
I thank you very much. 
Senator Corron. I thank the Senator, and I would say to you, Sen- 
ator Pell, as I said before, that I think any difference in approach 
between your resolutions and mine is apparent rather than real. 
WORKING THROUGH THE UNITED NATIONS 
There is one other element. I do not want to bypass the United Na- 
tions. IT have always felt that we should patiently continue to do all 
we can to work thr ough the United Nations. 
But there is an element in this oceanographic problem which was 
not as notably present in the matter of the exploration of outer space. 
That is the immediate riches, the material gains, the things of com- 
mercial monetary value which can be taken from the ocean’s floor. 
Now in the United Nations at the present time—I trust that this 
matter will adjust itself—but the have-nots in the United Nations have 
the votes, and the haves who support its activities are in the minority. 
I want to see the have-nots thoroughly protected, see them realize the 
full extent of their share of what may be taken from the sea to feed 
and support humanity. But it presents a present situation which I 
think demands careful procedure. 
I thank the Senator. 
