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room or not, of Resources for the Future, has developed ideas for 
implementation in quite some detail. He submitted a memorandum on 
it. 
Senator Prix. Right, he is in the room, and we are going to include 
in the record a statement by him. He has done sterling work in this 
field. 
(The statement referred to appears in the appendix. ) 
Mr. ErcHeipercer. What I meant was, Senator, that your licensing 
feature did not include the question of revenue from the licensing. 
Senator Psu. Right, revenues. 
Mr. Ercueipercer. Which is very important to the underdeveloped 
people. 
EXTENT OF U.N. SUPPORT FOR OCEAN SPACE TREATY 
Senator Prez. Do you have any indication of general support for 
an ocean space treaty at the United Nations? I know you are in quite 
close contact with the different missions there. 
Mr. Ercuevpercer. Well, Mr. Sisco, who is the head of the bureau 
of international organization affairs in the State Department, and so 
is in very close contact with the U.N., can tell you better than I can 
the views of all the states. 
I have not heard many people speak of a treaty, except to anticipate 
that a treaty would grow out of resolutions and the work of a com- 
mittee, just as they anticipated a treaty growing out of the commit- 
tee that was set up for outer space in 1958. Many agree with your prin- 
ciples, and anticipate a treaty, but no one has been bold enough to say 
this is a treaty, let’s consider it now. That is one of the reasons why 
what you have done is so important. 
Senator Petz. I am so glad, incidentally, you mentioned the im- 
portance of the resources, because we haven’t touched on that yet, and 
with the population explosion, the needs of the world to come, the 
number of people to be fed, it is obvious that the oceans will play a 
prime part here. 
I would like to thank you, too, Mr. Eichelberger, for your very en- 
couraging statements on this idea. I hope that your interest and 
enthusiasm in it will continue because as you gathered, there are those 
who are not in agreement that we should move ahead now in this 
direction, and we will need all the help we can get to develop 
thinking. 
My purpose, really, is to move us ahead so that the American in- 
terests and the American thoughts will be those that will provide the 
seein and framework that will eventually be adopted by the United 
ations. 
Mr. Ercuerpercer. Senator, we did it in outer space, and I would 
like to see us do it in the sea. 
Senator Prt. I thank you very much indeed for your support and 
for coming here. Thank you, Mr. EKichelberger. 
Our last witness is Admiral Stephan. I guess today we will call 
him Mr. Stephan, since he is here in his capacity as vice president of 
the Ocean Systems, Inc., an affiliate of the Union Carbide Co. 
