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April 17, 1967 



Members Attending 



The Vice President. 



The Honorable Foy D. Kohler, Deputy Under Secretary of State. 

 The Honorable Paul Nitze, Secretary of the Navy. 

 The Honorable Stanley Cain, Assistant Secretary of the Interior. 

 The Honorable J. Herbert Holloman, Acting Under Secretary of Commerce. 

 The Honorable Glenn T. Seaborg, Chairman, Atomic Energy Commission. 

 The Honorable Leland J. Haworth, Director, National Science Foundation. 

 Dr. M. D. Leavitt, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Health, Education and 

 "Welfare. 



The Honorable Alan S. Boyd, Secretary of Transportation. 

 The Honorable Edward Wenk, Jr., Executive Secretary. 

 Seven other observers and guests of policy rank. 



July 13, 1967 

 Members Attending 



The Vice President. 



The Honorable Foy D. Kohler, Deputy Under Secretary of State. 

 The Honorable Robert H. B. Baldwin, Acting Secretary of Navy. 

 The Honorable Stanley Cain, Assistant Secretary of Interior. 

 The Honorable J. Plerbert Hollomon, Acting Under Secretary of Commerce. 

 The Honorable Glenn T. Seaborg, Chairman, Atomic Energy Commission. 

 The Honorable Leland J. Haworth, Director, National Science Foundation. 

 The Honorable Philip Lee, Assistant Secretary of Health, Education and 

 Welfare. 



The Honorable Alan S. Boyd, Secretary of Transportation. 

 The Honorable Edward Wenk, Jr., Executive Secretary. 

 Seven other observers and guests of policy rank. 



Mr. Lennon. I have a series of other questions, but I recognize the 

 distinguished gentleman from Ohio, Mr. Mosher. 



Mr. MosiiER. Mr. Chairman, I suggest that one of the first and one 

 of the wisest decisions that the Council made was to borrow Ed "Wenk 

 from the Library of Congress. 



I immediately gained in confidence in the work of the Council when 

 they made that decision. 



Mr. Lennon. Would the gentleman yield at that point ? 



Mv. MosiiER. Yes. 



ISIr. Lennon. That is when my enthusiasm began to mount. 



Dr. Wenk. Thank you, gentlemen, for your kind words. 



Mr. MosHER. One indication of his ability, of course, is in this very 

 impressive, very comprehensive and provocative report which we have 

 heard this morning. I will take time now for only a couple of questions, 

 if I maj/', Mr, Chairman. 



AVe are all aware, of course, that there are 11 or 12 or more agencies 

 involved in ocenaographic work throughout the Federal Government 

 and we are all aware of the potential danger of unnecessary overlap- 

 ping, wasteful overlapping in their activities. At the same time, what 

 has concerned me more is the possibility of complete gaps, of vacuums, 

 and I am wondering whether the Council in its first year has been able 

 to put its finger on and identify areas of crucial need in the marine 

 sciences and engineering, which are not being touched. 



Have you discovered any such areas ? 



Dr. Wenk. Mr. Mosher, I personally share your view as to the gaps 

 bein^ more serious at this point in history than the possibility of un- 

 witting duplication. Almost all of the new areas that the Council is 

 ■examining cross agencies lines and do involve a number of agencies. 



I will illustrate this in a moment. First, I should note that the gap 



