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just about 3 months ago I was asked that very question, Mr. Rogers, 

 and I had to be candid and say, no, I did not think that industry had 

 responded to the extent that one would have expected at this point. 



Mr. EoGERS. Well, I think this is good for you to be frank and I think 

 this is part of the function of the Council, to try to stimulate industry 

 to come in, because we want this to be a program by which primarily 

 American industry will benefit; and it primarily will be American 

 industry that is going to benefit. 



Any suggestions the Council would have I think this committee 

 would be pleased to have, and perhaps during our hearings we can have 

 industry people in to see why there has not been a proper response. 



To what do you attribute it ? 



Dr. Wenk. In the first instance, it is a little bit hard to know what 

 kind of response one should look forward to here, and in making these 

 comments I certainly do not want to be critical of the contributions 

 that industry has made. It is, in fact, quite the other way. 



My own feeling is that a lot of people have felt that this program 

 was another space program and it is not. It is very different from our 

 space program for a number of reasons. 



First of all, this is one in which we expect private industry to be 

 involved; developments in the future are not going to be almost 

 entirely from the Federal Government. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, the reason for that is, isn't it, that we feel an 

 inunediate economic benefit can come out of the sea to sustain indus- 

 tries' activities? 



Dr. Wenk. Precisely. 



Mr. Rogers. This is what we are trying to show and develop, where 

 they can get an economic benefit, in order to encourage their 

 participation ? 



Dr. Wenk. And this economic benefit includes not only the develop- 

 ment of the ocean resources off our shores, but it recognizes that be- 

 cause of the technological lead this country does enjoy, we are there- 

 fore able to work in other nations in developing their resources. This 

 is an area of, you might say, an export of tecliiiology that we have not 

 recognized previously. 



The second reason why this isn't quite like the space program is be- 

 cause the Federal interests in the sea come from a variety of different 

 agencies that have not had the same experience in working with this 

 high technology industry as the Department of Defense and NASA 

 have. 



I believe that this is a case where industry in looking to the Depart- 

 ment of Commerce, the Department of the Interior, the Department of 

 Transportation, AID, and other areas of the Federal Government, 

 will be approaching their role perhaps a little differently than in terms 

 of the past style of relationships with DOD and NASA. 



We must look to industry for ideas and we must look to them for 

 the entrepreneurship in carrying out this program. There is no alter- 

 native. I know I am speaking personally in this regard, but I just don't 

 believe that the Federal Government should be the only sponsor of 

 this kind of activity in the sea. 



Mr. Rogers. I would agree. I tliink we are going to have to spearhead 

 some of the research work, some of the work that needs to be done, but 

 that the Navy is doing, for instance. I am concerned. I am not sure 

 that the Department of Defense has been impressed and I think here 



