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Mr, Rogers. I agree that this is a vital function of the committee, 

 and this was the idea of Chairman Lennon in setting these hearings. 



Comisel may have a few questions. 



Mr. Drewry. Dr. Wenk, in our committee report on S. 944 there 

 was discussion on page 12 of a relationship of the Federal Council 

 for Science and Technology and the Interagency Committee on Ocean- 

 ography. You may recall that in one of the stages of the development 

 of the legislation we wanted to write in specifically that the ICO 

 would work with the Council. The Bureau of the Budget, I believe, 

 said — 



Please don't try to do that, because the President has his own way of han- 

 dling things and they are under him and we will work with them. 



Then we went on to emphasize that we had the hope and expectation 

 that in the planning and the conduct of the program the President 

 would, in fact, utilize and indeed strengthen the functioning of the 

 Federal Council and the Interagency Committee on Oceanography. 



I have heard that there has recently been some reorganization. But 

 mainly my question is, "What is the relationship between the Council, 

 the ICO, and the Federal Council, if any, now in view of the change 

 that has developed in the law ? " 



Dr. Wenk. Very soon after the Marine Sciences Council was estab- 

 lished — withm a matter of days — there was consultation between the 

 Vice President ; Dr. Hornig, who chairs the Federal Council for Tech- 

 nology; Dr. Frosch, who chairs the Interagency Council on Oceanog- 

 raphy; and myself. There was complete agreement that the ICO 

 should assist the new Council in any way possible, and arrangements 

 were made to do this. 



After 8 to 10 months of operating experience we found several 

 changes were needed. First of all, the terms of reference of the ICO 

 were somewhat obsolete. These terms of reference had been set in 1961 

 under a different set of situations with a scope of program far more 

 limited than we now see is true with marine sciences. 



Secondly, this seemed to be an unnecessarily complicated system of 

 having the ICO, under another coordinating council, the Federal Coun- 

 cil, when in fact the unit they were serving was ourselves. The end re- 

 sult was a resolution just about a month ago by which the ICO was 

 reconstituted and replaced by a set of different committees of the 

 Marine Sciences Council. One of these deals with those activities that 

 the ICO had been doing most of its life; marine research education 

 and facilities, and continues to be chaired by the Assistant Secretary 

 of the Navy, Robert Frosch. 



Many of the staff' of the ICO will continue to be engaged either as 

 staff to that committee or direct staff to our Council. 



The other committees are newer. One of these has been established 

 by the Secretary of State, chaired by the Deputy Under Secretary, Foy 

 Kohler, and I should like to take this occasion to commend the initiative 

 :and activity of that group in undertaking its role. 



The other three committees are chaired as follows : the first one on 

 exploration and environmental prediction by Dr. Robert Wliite, the 

 Administrator of ESSA ; a second one on the problems of conflicting 

 uses of the seashore, chaired by Assistant Secretary Stanley Cain of 

 Interior; and the last dealing with this food-from-the-sea program, 



