73 



plish the goals mid aspirations tliat we are working on now in the 

 Commission's report and activities. A ship can be built in a relatively 

 short time, a few months or a year at most. Buildings can be built in 

 the same span of time. But training cannot be hurried up. It talces 

 years to train competent oceanographers. 



In addition to that, we want not onlj^ high-level professional ocean- 

 ographers necessary to accomplish the goals and aims we have, but we 

 require backup in the form of technicians, and this requires training 

 as well on different levels, in which at the moment there is a more 

 serious gap. 



What I am saying, briefly, is that we should not do anything in the 

 interim period to slow down the potential number of trained personnel 

 on all levels that will be required to accomplish our goal in ocean- 

 ography. 



At the present time my institution and other oceanographic institu- 

 tions throughout the country are hampered in trying to handle the 

 numbers of people who are interested in oceanography because of 

 limitations of space and personnel and, to a certain extent, funds as 

 well. This is a very small percentage of the total amount of money we 

 are thinking of in the long-term goal as well as the short-term goal. 



I am saying, in essence, because of the long time it takes to train 

 competent oceanographers and because these will be necessary in ever- 

 increasing numbers as time goes on, I hope we will be able to continue 

 our efforts at an undiminished rate during this interim period. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you very much. Doctor. 



I see in the audience another very distinguished member of the Pres- 

 idential Conunission, Dr. John H. Sullivan, of California, director of 

 life sciences, Northrop Corp. 



Doctor, we are delighted to have you, and would like you to stand 

 so the people who do not know you might know you. Thank you so 

 much, Doctor. 



I have been requested and I ask unanimous consent of the committee 

 to reco^ize a member of the committee out of order, in the sense only 

 that it IS customary^ to recognize left to right, because of an important 

 engagement he has. 



Mr. Pollock, of Alaska, since becoming a member of the Merchant 

 Marine and Fisheries Committee, and especially of this subcommittee, 

 has demonstrated an unusual amount of interest. He has attended a 

 number of symposiums and forums on oceanography and oceanology 

 and marine science forums around the country. 



I wonder if the gentleman could assure me he would not take more 

 than 5 minutes. 



Mr. Pollock. Mr. Chairman, I certainly will not take more. 



Mr. Lennon". I recognize the gentleman. 



Mr. Pollock. I appreciate very much the time. 



First, I would like to say to Dr. Stratton it is nice to see him again. 

 I had the pleasure of being presented a master of science degree in in- 

 dustrial management at MIT in 1960 from the good doctor. 



Mr. Chairman, both for our distinguished guests and for the com- 

 mittee, I am verv much concerned about something. Next week at the 

 United Nations General Assembly it is planned to introduce a resolu- 

 tion by which the General Assembly would proclaim U.N. jurisdiction 

 over all the ocean beds beyond the continental shelf. The United States 

 apparently is ready to commit itself to this position. 



86-705 — 68 — pt. 1 6 



