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is not the slightest disposition on my part or any one of the Com- 

 mission to present anything but an independent view of what is best, 

 and we do not proposed to do this in a militant, aggressive or competi- 

 tive way. This is our job. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Koth ? 



Mr. EoTH. Mr. Chairman, I think perhaps my question can be best 

 directed to Dr. Geyer. 



You raised the point about the needs of an increased flow of oceanog- 

 raphers and technicians. As a newcomer in this area, I would be in- 

 terested in knowing whether or not present facilities are adequate 

 from a university standpoint, whether or not you have any estimates 

 as to what are the needs in these areas. 



Dr. Getek. Mr. Eoth, at the present time if we use the criterion of 

 the number of people who are applying for graduate work in oceanog- 

 raphy, and oceanography is a graduate curriculum per se, in our in- 

 stitution, for example, we had almost 200 applications for this coming 

 academic year that just started, and because of our limitation of 

 stajff and space and funding and ship time and so on, we are only able 

 to accept 20, and I hope we graduate 15. The same situation exists in 

 about the same percentage in most of the other institutions. This is 

 why I am concerned. 



Knowing what our goals are and knowing what we want to do in 

 regard to the long-range plans for marine scientists, this cannot be 

 achieved unless we have this pipeline filled with competently trained 

 people ready and available to take on the business that will be neces- 

 saiy in order to achieve the objectives. 



This percentage I just gave 3'ou now of people Avho are interested — - 

 and these are qualified people too — -in going into oceanography, the 

 limited number we are able to take is something that concerns me very 

 much. The same thing applies to the scholarship and fellowship rela- 

 tionships in oceanography. At the present time we have 68 graduate 

 students. About half of those are funded by the university, which has 

 about 20 fellowships and scholarships and the rest are from various 

 Government agencies who are directed toward that work. But the per- 

 centage of the number of supporting fellowships and scholarships we 

 get from the Federal group is decreasing all the time. 



You may say well, if a person is really dedicated and interested in 

 oceanography, he can do as best he can. But we are in competition with 

 other disciplines as well where the funds are available in a greater 

 amount, and naturally a very competent person has the ability at this 

 point to look over the field of various disciplines and decide where he 

 can make the best future for himself. This is, of course, one criterion 

 we use as to Avhat the support is in terms of funds for any one partic- 

 ular field. 



Mr. Roth. Are there. Dr. Geyer, any estimates of the actual numbers 

 of oceanographers needed, say, for each year for the next 5 to 10 

 years ? 



Dr. Geyer. I believe that is being prepared by the Xational Science 

 Foundation for this veiy purpose. 



On the other hand, I have been involved in this situation through 

 the Coordinating Board of Higher Education in the State of Texas. 

 Last January they asked us for a 20-year plan in oceanography because 

 they are concerned to make sure they can meet the commitments 

 academically, and in the course of preparing this 20-year plan — f ortu- 



