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a little bit warmer, but I stay away from this consideration because- 

 this gets into a classified area. I don't have that kind of information 

 at hand. I prefer to deal in the unclassified aspect. 



Mr. Karth. It is kind of important to you, I would assume. 



Mr. Joseph. Yes, sir ; it is. At the pipelme, this is in the freshwater- 

 part of the system. It doesn't come into the marine scientist area until 

 it gets way downstream. 



IVIr. Lennon. Could we go off the record ? 



(Discussion off the record.) 



Mr. Rogers. I would like to know, and you can furnish this for the 

 record, the portion of your budget that is oriented toward ocean- 

 ography work, the number of personnel involved, and what your 

 projections are for the activity of your agency in this field. 



Also, I am anxious to know if you are doing work for the DSS V ? 



Mr. Joseph. Admiral Rickover's group is cooperating with those 

 people. 



Mr. Rogers. Won't that be in 1970 on the second phase of SNAP-l ? 



Mr. Joseph. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Rogers. What are the prospects of speeding that up, or would 

 that be desirable? It seems to me it could be a very vital element if" 

 we are going to do any truly deep submergence Avork or develop a 

 new power system. 



Mr. Seiken. Deep submergence nuclear power applications involve 

 both electric power and vehicle propulsion. In regard to use of nuclear- 

 power for stationary electric power generation, we believe our pro- 

 grams * * * both isotope and reactor power systems development 

 * * * are proceeding at a proper rate. In view of that fact that hard 

 requirements are still some time away, there is no need to accelerate 

 our efforts in order to develop a specific system by a given date. We- 

 plan to make use of this time to establish a sound base of technology 

 which could be applied to meet specific needs with a minimum of basic 

 research and development. Essentially, once the basic technology is 

 established, it becomes a relatively straightforward engineering effort 

 to apply this technology. It is this latter effort that can be easily 

 accelerated without compromise to reliability and performance 

 objectives. 



In regard to reactor propulsion for deep-sea submcrsibles, AEC's 

 activities in this area are under the direction of Admiral Rickover,. 

 Director of the Division of Naval Reactors. These program activities 

 involve classified information and are beyond the scope of our 

 testimony. 



Mr. Rogers. Who is keeping it from whom ? The AEC is not keeping 

 it from the Navy, are they ? 



Mr. Seiken. No, sir. This technology is being developed specifically 

 for Navy application and under a cooperative AEC-Navy program. 



Mr. Rogers. You don't think the civilian area should have this 

 information ? 



Mr. Seiken. It is a classified area, and I cannot deal with that. 



Mr. Rogers. I miderstand that. We can go into that later on. 



I hope you will outline difficulties that are being encountered. 



Thank you. 



Mr. Lennon. The gentleman from Washington. 



Mr. Pelly. Dr. Joseph, could you tell me whether under the seabed! 



